Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby sketch » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:24 pm

eaglejm7 wrote:Sorry, mine was a comment to the developers. Non routable routes should be just that. Information on the map, but strictly off limits for driving.

That is happening now with some types, particularly Railroad.
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Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby sketch » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:29 am

Absolutely. <- in reply to the immediately previous post

To Kent's proposed change to the U turn text: it looks good. It provides some explanation the original text didn't. Might be able to be explained more simply, but I'd need to sit down at my computer to do so.


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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby sketch » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:06 am

That looks good to me.
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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby sketch » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:49 pm

I've noticed that the detour mechanism affects a particular construction that's used in a few places around here. I'm not sure where this would best go in the Wiki, or if this configuration is used elsewhere, but I do think it should be here to guide editors.

Any time a U turn segment splits off from a left turn lane, U turns are prohibited by detour prevention — because 2 segments are required to make the U turn, it's treated as a detour.

This configuration does not work:
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The configuration on the left works, the configuration on the right does not:
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This configuration works:
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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:22 pm

Can you be more specific to what you think should be changed? I could not identify the words on that page that you think should be different and what you would want to see there.
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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:27 pm

I went ahead and moved CBenson's proposal into the main body of the Wiki with a construction message.

Routing penalties

I made some formatting changes and clarified a few things I thought might be confusing.

I then started a new thread about that page, to let this thread get back on topic. All further routing penalty discussion should be moved to that thread.
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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:11 am

I can see a few tweaks I will recommend as we get closer, but I like the general idea. We should also insert visuals to help some of the points and we can do that.

Do we know more specifically about the one-way bridge routing problems we have seen in the past? Did they create a routing penalty level for bridges that is infinity and therefore "impossible" to ever get routed? In other words it would rather say "no route found" than route down a one-way bridge?
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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:31 pm

CBenson wrote:Where is the routing penalty discussion page?

I see we only sprinkled the concept of the routing penalty system in How Waze calculates routes, so we should add a section toward the top of the page to discuss that.

Then we can Wikilink that new section into the penalty notations in:
http://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Junction_Style_Guide
http://wiki.waze.com/wiki/How_Waze_determines_turn_/_keep_/_exit_maneuvers
http://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Best_map_editing_practice
http://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Keyboard_shortcuts
http://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Road_Types_%28USA%29

to name a few. :mrgreen:
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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:06 am

CBenson wrote:
Waze routing will heavily penalize routes over a detour off a highway/freeway and back on that same highway/freeway when all of the following conditions are met:

I am good with that. I would also propose that we Wikilink "penalize" with the routing penalty discussion page to be clear what that means.
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Re: Detour detection mechanism in the wiki

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:28 am

Criteria in Wiki wrote:
Waze routing will not present routes over a detour off a highway/freeway and back on that same highway/freeway when each of the following conditions are met:

1. the last segment on the highway/freeway before the detour has the same street name and same city name as the next highway/freeway segment after the detour (the segments are considered to have the same name if either the primary name or alternate names are the same, unnamed segments are not considered as having the same name),
2. the detour is more than one segment long, and
3. the detour is under the threshold length as defined below.

To be more clear I think it should say:
Criteria in Wiki wrote:
Waze routing will not present routes over a detour off a highway/freeway and back on that same highway/freeway when all of the following conditions are met:
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