Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable roads

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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby CBenson » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:44 pm

I believe that this is a worthwhile effort.

I would revise

The following roads are to be classified, at minimum, as Minor Highway:
Roads classified in FHWA's functional classification as Other Arterials.
Roads in state, D.C., and territorial highway systems.


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The following roads are to be classified, at minimum, as Minor Highway:
Roads classified in FHWA's functional classification as Other Arterials or Minor Arterials.
Roads signed according to a state, D.C., or territorial highway system.


My concern with "Other Arterial" is that some functional lists use the terms "other principal arterial" and "minor arterial." In those lists the word "other" only appears with "principal" which could be confusing when determining what "other arterials" are.

With regard to state numbering systems, one issue that hasn't been addressed is the difference between official designation and how the road is actually signed. In my experience, the signage deviates from "official designation" for clarity and to better reflect reality on the ground. So where signage conflicts with "official designation," I suggest following the signage. In Maryland every road that is the responsibility of the state highway administration to maintain has a Maryland route number. But typically if the road is not a significant route from point A to point B, the road is not signed with the route number (and can be classed a local road by the MD SHA). Similarly my recollection in Pennsylvania is that many roads are given 4 digit numbers, but these 4 digit route numbers are not used in the keystone route number signs and thus should not be considered minor highways. So to me what really matters is the sign on the road.
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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby bz2012 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:30 pm

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A general observation -- maybe more a perception -- it seems the Waze wiki has become as much about why decisions were made as about conveying the how-to instructions, themselves. I'd call this "wiki bloat," but one man's bloat may be another man's treasure.


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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby bz2012 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:24 pm

Have had some UR's complaining that they should not be mapped at all (even though legal) because it is hazardous to make a u-turn there, with the high speed traffic. :(
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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby bz2012 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:12 am

What about turn-arounds that allow non-emergency traffic but prohibit parking (except in an emergency)?

There are a couple on the causeway across Lake Pontchartrain that have signs that make that point.
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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby bz2012 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:18 pm

If we leave em out, sure as heck, some EMT or cop running Waze will use the turn around, and Waze will spawn a MR saying connect points A and B. :)
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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby bz2012 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:00 pm

Paragraph needing possible revision:
Emergency Vehicle and DOT Service Roads Service road.png[edit]
Emergency.jpg "Emergency and Authorized Vehicles Only" and DOT Service Roads are to be treated as Non-drivable roads. These are found primarily through the median of divided highways to connect opposite direction lanes. If mapped, they should not be connected to any drivable road, with properties set to road type Private Road, and lock the segment at as high a rank as possible, up to rank 5.

I believe the word I have shown in red above should be removed, or the rest of the sentence revised to remove the inherent contradiction (why bother to have it at all, if it is not connected to a drivable road and why bother to set it to private type?)
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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby bretmcvey » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:47 am

The checkbox isn't functional in the app from what I've seen. Original plans were to deprecate the type, but I'm not entirely sure that's still the plans.

We do have an ask out for more information from staff to better understand how things will ultimately work so we can revise guidance.


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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby Bigbear3764 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:41 pm

CBenson wrote:What's wrong with davielde's sheet?


Can a second link for Illinois be added to that list? This one here is for the whole state and can be easier to pan around on: http://www.gettingaroundillinois.com/gai.htm?mt=fc

I haven't crossed checked all the counties, but one urban area in Chicago, the class is different between the PDF version and the whole state version.
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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby bgodette » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:29 pm

sketch wrote:4x4 would make most sense as a vehicle type (a la Taxi or HOV-3).

Brian, the issue at hand is essentially what we can/should tell editors to do. In a perfect world, during this transition, app & routing would honor both the road type and the check box, so we editors could start using the "unpaved" box alongside PS/mH types where appropriate for hybrid-FC reasons. But we can't do that until we can trust the box.
Exactly. As I said, they can't remove the type until the checkbox works. Guidance is currently unchanged from pre-checkbox because it currently doesn't do anything, but that can change at any time and go back and forth multiple times (eg JBs).
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Re: Road Types (USA) – comprehensive overhaul of drivable ro

Postby bgodette » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:13 pm

bretmcvey wrote:The checkbox isn't functional in the app from what I've seen. Original plans were to deprecate the type, but I'm not entirely sure that's still the plans.

We do have an ask out for more information from staff to better understand how things will ultimately work so we can revise guidance.
Well it can't be re-used without first converting all existing to something else + unpaved checkbox. Once the unpaved checkbox affects routing it's then possible to automatically re-type and checkbox all existing unpaved-type. What people are asking for as a type replacement, 4x4/high-clearance, isn't really a type and is just another property checkbox which also doesn't necessarily also imply unpaved.
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