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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby skbun » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:10 am

WeeeZer14 wrote:For the more common options we don't want to deal with fully supporting, just have them be pointers to the "Other vehicle" option that gets its speed ignored.

For example, bicycles. We know people use Waze on bicycles, so if we have a bicycle option for them to pick, I bet they are more likely to do so. Especially if it makes their icon into a bicycle ;)

They don't need to know the details that it behaves the same as if they picked "other" and we and Waze don't need to do anything beyond setting up the "other" option.


YES YES YES. I think at this early stage - especially because the S.O.P. in the United states is to specifically disconnect bike and walking trails from the driving roads, the idea at this stage should be to get faulty data away from private driving - and that means giving users the option to enjoy nav, map issue reporting, incident reporting, or reporting gas prices, while not accepting their speed data in the context of private vehicles.

It looks like a feature, quacks like a feature, and mostly lets Waze's intelligent speed routing get smarter.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby skbun » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:07 am

jcluth wrote:
boodieman72 wrote:Another vote for truck routes. Just think off all the data Waze could get with a truck drivers using it.

I think they already are. I drove a thousand miles through OH, IN, IL, and MO in the middle of the night a few days ago and passed several fellow Wazers...and the only nearby vehicles were semis. In fact, I'd estimate that at least 1 out of every 10 trucks I encountered seemed to appear with a Waze avatar somewhere in the vicinity, and a few truckers I've seen on the forums here have said they keep Waze up for info on upcoming hazards (and likely cops, too).


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A California truck regional travel map: http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/truck ... ap-d02.pdf
If California is any indication, a truck route is much more complicated than a checkbox, and not a meaningful bit of data for us to attempt to map - truck route definitions include 'national routes', 'regional routes', 'legal within standards', and 'not advised'. This level of detail allowing or forbidding certain kinds of trucks is way beyond the scope we can reasonably do, and it won't help a truck driver do what they already do without doublechecking and mapping the endpoints in advance anyway, IMHO.

Waze has a well deserved reputation of being 'poor in rural areas' because the routing engine will prefer 'minor highways and above' at sufficiently long distances, and when the only roads 20 miles in any direction are 'streets', bounded by Interstates, Waze has...trouble figuring out which road it really ought to pick. I can also find numerous examples of routes considered arterials that aren't contiguous and so they can't even be routed through. I think the best way we can help trucks navigate is not by trying to figure out where they can travel, but to figure out where ANY vehicle can travel by classifying roads according to Functional Classification. For California, that's here: http://dot.ca.gov/hq/tsip/hseb/crs_maps/index.php - and every state has them. They give relative guidance to whether a given street should be a primary street, minor highway, or major - and such routes should be checked for continuity and no turn restrictions from one side to the other. While subject to some interpretation, a 'street' needs no interpretation - it won't be routed to, ever, when the distance between A and B is great enough.

If we want to do anything to select 'trucks' as a vehicle type, I think the only thing we really need to do is say that one, speed data may or may not be useful for them, and two, trucks shouldn't help generate 'Most users ignored the suggested route' URs, because they'll often have reasons for that not related to a map error.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby skbun » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:31 am

Borgholio wrote:For the love of God, please bring back "minimize turns"! That's the one navigation feature I want to see above all else. Nothing is more annoying than seeing Waze plot a zigzag pattern through side streets instead of the (more sensible) route of taking primary streets with a minimum of turns and intersections.


Just for sanity, is the area you're talking about properly populated with primary streets, etc.? Waze doesn't necessarily know a primary street is one unless it's been typed that way in the editor...
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby slandrum » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:41 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote: In the future, selecting a vehicle type (not likely the same as the icon) is supposed to avoid roads which don't restrict that type of vehicle.


I hope that they avoid roads that do restrict those vehicles and route on roads that don't!

I know, it's just a simple typo. :)
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby slandrum » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:21 pm

For clarity, HOV stands for High Occupancy Vehicle. We used to call them carpool lanes, now they are HOV lanes.

High occupancy is somewhat of a misnomer, near where I live it usually only requires 2 or more people in the vehicle (not exactly what I'd call high occupancy). Some places require 3 or more people in the vehicle to use the lanes.

Some vehicles get exemptions to allow their use with a single occupant (hybrid and all electric sometimes qualify, buses and motorcycles are usually allowed as well). Two seaters are sometimes allowed in an HOV 3 lane with 2 people.

People cheat a lot, and the cops definitely watch for and will ticket when you don't have the required number of people in the car.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby speedyranger » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:29 pm

i like to see the truck mode :mrgreen:
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby sporotrix » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:34 pm

In Brazil we have bus and taxi exclusive lanes. And we have also some lanes restricted for trucks over a certain size/weight. That would be nice to have. A pedestrian choice would also be nice, since we already have the option to create "pedestrian boardwalk" roads in the editor.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby srbhiscock » Sun May 05, 2013 8:13 am

A navigation type that would utilise a generic economy algorithm would be useful, perhaps avoiding lots of stop-start situations.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby Steve_Gleason » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:57 pm

I think a truck and trailer would be a good feature


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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby Suik » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:46 am

I think adding trucks to waze is fine - lot of them on roads (also at night). But I think there should be then a second separate drop-down menu, or an "on/off" button in the future in WME, as a parameter for a segment, to set separate conditions for routing, based on profile(?) chosen - could be applied to HOV lanes as well maybe. And then it would require also specification of truck-restriction for that segment (speed, driveable height, turn restriction, overtaking restriction, weight, dangerous load, etc.)

And so far I still say NO to bicycles, pedestrians. The usual GPS modules in phones in big cities IMHO can't fix your position with such a precision, that waze could for 100% distinguish whether you are on the road or pedestrian boardwalk which is right next to it. (plus imagine the fun with tons of segments with mixed driveability and weird routing during mapdate days - I hope many of us here already experienced and know what I'm talking about)
As somebody mentioned here emergency cars - their data would mess up the data from the jam created by "private cars" (if it all won't be profile-based). Honestly, for emergency vehicles drivers waze can only be a navigation app., they don't profit from other benefits, as they "can ignore" jams, red lights, police traps :D. And I don't believe they'll be reporting something during an emergency drive to an accident (which will be already reported by other wazers anyway :) ).

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