[New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby sketch » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:19 pm

This is a fantastic page. Excellent work.

I agree with miked_64 that road type changes & NFC reversions should be included. It's a rather common problem in areas that aren't under heavy lock.
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby miked_64 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:50 pm

I like it! This would have been great when dealing with a Rank 1 editor who undid almost a whole city worth of NFC edits.

Speaking of which, is it worth mentioning the road type / NFC guidelines as a functional mistake? This is not always intuitive for new editors.

Thanks!
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:56 pm

Great page so far. When I get back I will make some more specific comments.
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby DwarfLord » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:52 pm

qwaletee wrote:I would recommend a bullet list of safe edits, and surprisingly unsafe ones at the bottom. Public road names (following Waze abbreviations), road directionality, and simple correction to turn retsrictions are generally safe. Adding a new public road or correcting a significant error in the alignment of a road is usually safe. PLRs as shown in the detailed text are surprisingly unsafe. Highways, whether in reality or as listed in Waze road type, are typically going to cause more alarms when done by junior editors (assuming it is even possible, since they are usually locked).

Responding to error reports (UR) is safe as long as the editor is aware of UR etiquette and has someone to ask for help if it turns out the problem is not one they can figure out how to solve.

That's a great point, the "What should I edit, then?" section could use a lot more positive suggestions and general advice on where (and where not) to focus.
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby qwaletee » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:45 pm

I would recommend a bullet list of safe edits, and surprisingly unsafe ones at the bottom. Public road names (following Waze abbreviations), road directionality, and simple correction to turn retsrictions are generally safe. Adding a new public road or correcting a significant error in the alignment of a road is usually safe. PLRs as shown in the detailed text are surprisingly unsafe. Highways, whether in reality or as listed in Waze road type, are typically going to cause more alarms when done by junior editors (assuming it is even possible, since they are usually locked).

Responding to error reports (UR) is safe as long as the editor is aware of UR etiquette and has someone to ask for help if it turns out the problem is not one they can figure out how to solve.

I'm sure we can throw in a bunch of other stuff.
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby DwarfLord » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:39 pm

Fredo-p wrote:Looks like you need some screenshots of the examples listed. Are you working on taking those screenshots or adding them from other wiki pages?

Not yet. It was a good stopping place to put this wiki up for consideration. If response is enthusiastic I will gladly go a-hunting for good screenshots. Probably won't take long :lol:

Fredo-p wrote:Some wiki pages already exits for the mistakes mentioned. Will you be adding links to the respective pages?

Absolutely. The page is intended as a gateway for those who have probably been skipping the documentation and as such it needs links throughout. That's another bit of work waiting to see if response to the concept is enthusiastic :)
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby Fredo-p » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:19 pm

Looks good. Two things:

1) Looks like you need some screenshots of the examples listed. Are you working on taking those screenshots or adding them from other wiki pages?

2) Some wiki pages already exits for the mistakes mentioned. Will you be adding links to the respective pages?
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[New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby DwarfLord » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:58 am

Chucksways, thanks for noticing the problem. The Edits to Avoid (USA) article was my contribution and with a couple of minor exceptions I've been the only one maintaining it. However, I am in the process of reducing the time I spend on Waze. Barring some unforeseen burst of energy and enthusiasm, I don't expect I will be putting in the necessary effort to adapt the article to Waze's massive recent changes.

I have never felt that I "owned" Edits to Avoid. I knew from the day I started it that it belonged to the community, not to me. I was always told that we follow a process for updating our wiki that involves a generous community comment period and emphasizes consensus. I agree completely with these principles and wholeheartedly offer "Edits to Avoid" to this process. I would be delighted if the community wanted to maintain this article.
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[New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby DwarfLord » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:28 pm

Incorrect edits affect all of us, but there doesn't seem to be a wiki dedicated to the most common mistakes and the "official" approach to responding to them. I've often wished for one. When I encounter these issues I would like simply to PM a link to the editor in question and then get to work.

A good wiki would list the most common mistakes, explain why a response was necessary, and describe what that response should be. It would support the novice editor with helpful information, encourage better editing, and hopefully leave him or her feeling positive. At the same time it would alleviate the advancing editor from having to explain the same things again and again.

So, here is my attempt at this wiki. It is missing correct imagery and links to appropriate wikis but all the text and basic formatting is there.

(Draft link redacted now that the official page is live.)

I'd welcome any big comments or concerns! Especially if this is thought to duplicate some existing reference I want to catch that before I put any more work into it. Also welcome are thoughts on the wiki title and where it should fit in the wiki tree.

Small things might best be postponed. If this wiki is deemed appropriate, let's get it into an official location and then open it up for anyone to improve :)

I hope it proves useful!

[Edit: if you like the idea of this wiki and its general approach, please also feel welcome to say so, or just to use the "thank" button, so I have some idea if it's worth further effort :D ]
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[New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby DwarfLord » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:12 pm

Let me know if this comes across as more helpful and understanding.

Alternative Incorrect Edits lead-in wrote:
This article reviews the most common editing mistakes in Waze. For those new to the [[Waze Map Editor]] (WME) it describes these mistakes and how easy it is for anyone starting out to make them. For advancing editors and Area Managers, it describes how best to respond to the mistakes when they are discovered. Finally, it discusses productive ways for new editors to contribute with minimal risk.

Incorrect edits are a natural part of Waze

Waze created the WME with the desire to attract as many editors as possible. To this end, the WME allows anyone to change the map quickly and easily without reading, training, practice, or tests.

Beneath the WME's attractive and welcoming exterior, however, lies cutting-edge technology. The WME provides expert tools that behave differently depending on minute and often invisible details. Under some conditions the WME behaves counterintuitively and trips up experts and beginners alike.

This situation guarantees that no editor will escape the WME unscathed. We all make mistakes, and lots of them.

This article discusses three categories of typical confusion: misunderstood principles, functional mistakes, and misunderstood conventions. Before discussing those, however, it's critical to bring up one kind of incorrect "edit" that is worse than all the others put together.
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