Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:04 am

Well, (Closed) is now almost completely obviated as far as I'm concerned because we have a working closure feature (via the sheet) which is represented on the app map display. So that bit of the guidance can be removed as far as I'm concerned.

I have only used (Construction Zone) for long-term no-closure traffic pattern shifts. I don't think anything less permanent should be marked—if there's little evidence of construction besides barrels and equipment parked on the shoulder when no one is working, that's not enough for me. I think it's valuable when the warning is warranted 24/7, not when there /might/ be construction as you pass through.


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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:36 pm

The idea is that it's the only way to report long-term construction. But, I've only ever used it on surface streets, it didn't seem sensible to me for use on freeways. On surface streets, you'll be seeing that name longer, and you'll get it in nav instructions when turning onto that area.

But, I dunno, I'm not all that crazy about the idea these days.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:02 am

Some shields have been added manually in the past, and it's possible to have staff – I do know, looking at a divided section of US-90 around here ("US-90 W" and "US-90 E"), that there aren't any shields on it. Whereas, I've seen an example of something like "I-10 Parkway Drive" with a shield.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:59 am

Is shield generation for US highways automatic at this point? Is it working well? Is it instant?

Interesting to note: Interstate shields and US highway shields are matched differently. If memory serves, Interstate shields will be given to anything that starts with I-###, no matter what's at the end, whereas US highway shields are granted strictly – only to US-###, apparently, not even US-### N/S/E/W. So, assuming everything works correctly, "(Construction Zone)" on an Interstate will never be seen, whereas a US highway's shield will be broken by the phrase.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:23 am

qwaletee wrote:I think the new guidance is good, but we have thousands of roads mapped under the old CONST ZN. Wouldn't it make sense to add it to the supported abbreviations?

If "adding it to the supported abbreviations" were at all a simple task, it would have been done years ago. But Waze is not receptive to changes in the way TTS works. It took us about a year to get a pause for every slash, and I don't think they've made any changes to TTS since then.

Validator includes a search function now which would allow us to find any "CONST ZN" that needs to be changed. Consistency throughout localities is more important than consistency throughout the country, so it should be sufficient. It's not gonna be a big deal if one city hasn't caught up where another has.

Thanks for the note about anchors; I'll keep that in mind.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:49 am

Good tip on the dependencies, thanks, and thanks for fixing them too. I'll keep that in mind in the future.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:56 pm

I will take your Likes and silence as an affirmation. I am making the changes to the Wiki now. I did change some of the formatting for readability.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:04 pm

Sounds good. I would also rename the section to reflect that it is only used for long-term construction projects/closures. Here is my proposed rewrite of the two big paragraphs, in Wiki markup:

When a road is closed to traffic for long-term construction, after you [[How to handle road closures|close the road]], add "(Closed)" to the end of the road name. For example, "Ramble Dr" would become "Ramble Dr (Closed)".

When a road is under long-term construction, but is not closed, add "(Construction Zone)" to the end of the name. For example, "Tamble St" would become "Tamble St (Construction Zone)". If there is a major lane shift or traffic shift, adjust the geometry of the road to match the current traffic pattern. Do this only if you are able to monitor the area, and readjust the geometry of the road once again once the construction is complete. Remove the "(Construction Zone)" from the name, and be sure to reattach any roads which may have been disconnected.

"(Construction Zone)" should only be used for the following:
* Relatively major, long-term construction (usually lasting at least one month)
* Semi-permanent lane closures or lane shifts (lasting for the duration of the construction)
* Temporary recurring lane closures or lane shifts, if the closures or shifts occur regularly during heavy travel hours (roughly from 6 am to 8 pm)
* Construction with no semi-permanent recurring or lane closures or lane shifts, but where small lane closures and slow-moving construction traffic are common during heavy travel hours

"(Construction Zone)" should '''not''' be used for the following:
* Short-term construction (usually lasting under one month)
* Temporary lane closures or lane shifts, if the closures or shifts occur through the night (for example, between 10 pm and 5 am)
* Construction with no lane closures or lane shifts, even with possible occasional construction traffic


I would leave the first sentence and the red one as-is.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:15 pm

dbraughlr wrote:
  • A construction zone is drivable (connected) with potential delays, hazards, detours including lane closures, and scheduled overnight closures.
  • A closed road is not drivable (bridge out, wash out, rebuild, security concerns, etc) and might or might not being undergoing repairs. If permanent, then the road is effectively disconnected.
  • Under construction means that a new segment will open in the future as a drivable road but until then, it is not drivable. It could be connected to the roadway with a scheduled restriction.

If we're going to break it down this way, I can agree with the first two. I don't agree with the last.

I would split them this way:
  • Construction zone: Drivable. Construction is possible/likely, but not constant. Potential delays, hazards, temporary lane closures, and occasional scheduled closures.
  • Under construction: Drivable. Construction configuration is constant—for example, lane closures or lane shifts.
  • Closed: Not drivable. Closed to traffic for a period of time.
Really, though, I'd prefer to label all drivable construction roads either (Under Construction) or (Construction Zone) [i.e., pick one and use it for everything], and all temporarily closed roads (Closed). Some of what would fit under "Construction Zone" in the three-option method I don't think is even worth marking—like, if construction is ongoing but only occurs between 9:30 pm and 5:30 am, it isn't relevant for the majority of drivers and it will probably be confusing.

If a road is closed permanently, delete it, and perhaps make a note in the editor not to add it back because of the aerials. I've seen permanently-closed ramps with "railroad" type notes left saying it's closed, do not add. We aren't supposed to do that anymore and we don't have a notes feature yet, but tbh I don't see any harm in leaving it as, say, a Street type segment, and having the "Ramp closed permanently" displayed in the client for a time.

If a road is newly constructed, I wouldn't add it until it opened, or I would add it and leave it disconnected without marking anything. Typically when this happens it's ramps anyway, so it wouldn't show on the client. I suppose if it was a road segment I might put (Opens December) or something.
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Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:25 am

It's the other way around—there are construction zones which are not closed. Most of the construction zones around here are not full closures, but rather lane shifts and closures and the like. We've been using "(Under Construction)" for those and "(Closed)" for closures.


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