[Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby CBenson » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:38 pm

I just hadn't been back to look at this page at all in awhile.
With regard to Multi Use lanes the current page states:
The enforcement time should be expanded to start 15 minutes earlier, to account for drivers who experience traffic along their route prior, and prevent them from accidentally being routed onto the HOV lanes after the enforcement period begins.
These lanes will also require a similar restriction set on ALL the exit ramps, also with the enforcement period expanded to begin 15 minutes early.

And with regard to reversible lanes the current page states:
If the hours are adjacent to each other, meaning that there is no buffer time between the two travel direction of the lanes, then we will have to add a buffer time into to Waze for safety. In that case expand the restriction to start 15 minutes earlier so there is at least a 15 minute window when there travel is restricted in both directions between the open periods.

I'm just noting again that I think 15 minutes is too long for this purpose.
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby DwarfLord » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:29 pm

I have not been following this topic closely, but came across a UR regarding HOV lanes today that was responded to and closed by Waze staff :shock: :o :?

Presented here without comment, except kudos to new editor tross13 who has been working very hard on the multitude of URs in the Santa Clara and San Jose areas.

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HOV UR responded to and closed by Waze staff
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby DwarfLord » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:54 pm

Just a note, Ohad is doing some editing of the carpool lanes where 85 meets 101.

https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... 901&zoom=4

As I mentioned earlier, I have not tracked the HOV-lane conversation. I'm not mentioning this to say one way is better than another, because I don't know!

It is just that it is extraordinarily rare for me to see Waze staff editing situations like this, especially when there is an ongoing discussion in the forums about the best way to handle them, so I thought folks might like to be aware.
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby DwarfLord » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:28 am

PesachZ wrote:"Our guidelines in the wiki are correct and the best way to map these lanes now. The edits he made there were probably wrong now looking back at it, and caused by a misunderstanding of the issue. We could fix it back to the standards, as that is probably better than how it is now."

If this hasn't been fixed yet, please correct it to match our guidelines.

Thanks for passing along the info!

The lanes in question were changed back to Parking Lot Roads on 30 December, and both are locked at 5. As they are locked above me, WME prevents me from verifying the specific vehicle types that are restricted. But as a PLR I don't think it matters...?

I am reluctant to assert any ownership of this interchange given that more senior editors, not to mention Waze staff, are actively involved! As the URs are no longer popping up, which was my main concern, I'll return to the background on this one.
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby eaglejm7 » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:31 pm

CBenson wrote:
PesachZ wrote:The lower level of the Manhattan bridge in NY has this situation. It is used inbound to Manhattan from 05:00-15:00, and outbound to Brooklyn 15:00-05:00 on weekdays. And inbound only on weekends.

I'm still having a hard time understanding how that works. I take it there is some kind of brief closure in both directions (from the perspective of entering the lanes) to make the switch, but the authorities don't commit to a precise time frame that could be relied upon for use by waze.

They usually say it is open from 3 to 7 p.m. one direction and from 6 to 9 am the other direction or something similar - there is usually a long gap between. At any time that commitment for a particular direction is not in place, it should be assumed to be closed both directions.
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby eaglejm7 » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:59 pm

I was thinking about restrictions in general and how they might be implemented and applied later. Some real world restrictions I have run across:

Height of a vehicle (we have a local bridge that has an 11'0" height restriction. Every couple of years someone bends their vehicle on the bridge.

Slightly less common: Width restrictions. I have seen some roads that have width restrictions on them.

Weight restrictions. These allow trucks unless they weigh too much. This is particularly true of older bridges.

Articulation restrictions for heavy trucks. I have seen some place that restrict tractor + 2 trailers separately from tractor + 1 trailier separately from non-articulated trucks. We have a local RR crossing that non-articulated trucks could traverse, but any tractor trailer rig is going to get hung up on the tracks. The profile of the road is a 14% grade approach with a sharp change to flat across the tracks, and a several inch drop on the other side. Getting stuck on that particular set of tracks is really bad because it is a blind curve from one direction for the RR.

Local trucks vs through trucks. In Atlanta, interstates 20, 75, and 85 do not allow through trucks inside of I285 at any time. Local trucks are permitted.

Alternative fuel vehicles are allowed a free pass on some HOV lanes, HOT lanes, and Toll plazas.

Dirt road / Jeep Track differences. My vehicle is capable of traversing many dirt roads, but not the most rugged. Some grading of dirt roads might be a good idea.

It would be great to be able to input a vehicle profile that included (better would be to have a list of vehicle types):
Passenger vehicle
Paved only
Light duty dirt roads (or a scale of some sort)
Heavy duty dirt roads
Seat belts
Fuel type (gasoline / electric / ...)
Motor cycle
Paved only
Light duty dirt roads (or a scale of some sort)
Heavy duty dirt roads
RV
Length
Height
GVW
Bus
Length
Height
GVW
Truck
# of trailers
Length
Height
GCVW

For all vehicles, have Waze ask how many people are in the car at the start of every navigation. (This would allow HOV2 / HOV3 to work). Have it default to the number last used.
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby eaglejm7 » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:10 am

sketch wrote:These are all really good ideas. I wish Waze would give more attention to this feature.

It'd also be nice to be able to add a restriction on a temporary basis, using a road-closure-like functionality (I get a lot of emails from LaDOTD about lane closures where traffic is allowed, but no loads over 12 ft wide). Although, Waze isn't really what oversized loads should be relying on :D

If this is implemented, though, we'd have to have a lot of heads-up, and probably an import of data from another source – because one missed height restriction can mean big trouble.

Anyway, this thread is for how to handle the guidance for the current system, and not a request thread that Waze might listen to or monitor.

I am fairly new at Waze. Is there a better place to make wishes?
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby eaglejm7 » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:47 am

sketch wrote:These are all really good ideas. I wish Waze would give more attention to this feature.

It'd also be nice to be able to add a restriction on a temporary basis, using a road-closure-like functionality (I get a lot of emails from LaDOTD about lane closures where traffic is allowed, but no loads over 12 ft wide). Although, Waze isn't really what oversized loads should be relying on :D

If this is implemented, though, we'd have to have a lot of heads-up, and probably an import of data from another source – because one missed height restriction can mean big trouble.

Anyway, this thread is for how to handle the guidance for the current system, and not a request thread that Waze might listen to or monitor.

The vehicle restrictions that exist on the web site are available on a timed basis or a permanent basis.
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby eaglejm7 » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:21 pm

It seems that time based restrictions on a private road do not work. My son's school has a road that is private (non-school days it is blocked by gates at both ends), but during school days it is completely closed for an hour in the morning and 40 minutes in the afternoon. In the afternoon, there is a further 2 hours of one way for extended carpool. Since it is gated, it is marked as private. When navigating to a point on that street, the time based direction restrictions appear to be ignored as it keeps routing me the wrong way on the street. When I approach from the other direction (as I always do), it allows routing along the street that way as well.
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Re: [Update] Partial restrictions (time and vehicle type)

Postby eaglejm7 » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:49 pm

KuniaKid wrote:
eaglejm7 wrote:It seems that time based restrictions on a private road do not work. My son's school has a road that is private (non-school days it is blocked by gates at both ends), but during school days it is completely closed for an hour in the morning and 40 minutes in the afternoon. In the afternoon, there is a further 2 hours of one way for extended carpool. Since it is gated, it is marked as private. When navigating to a point on that street, the time based direction restrictions appear to be ignored as it keeps routing me the wrong way on the street. When I approach from the other direction (as I always do), it allows routing along the street that way as well.



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https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... s=82763928

Northbound should be restricted for a longer period than southbound in the evenings.
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