Hi Tamar, I had emailed toll prices support with a suggestion to add a "reservation required" checkbox in the tool and corresponding banner in the app. This is useful for certain ferries. It would enable us to map them normally and give prices, so that drivers could decide whether to book before they go.

For time-based tolls, where a road charges a toll to everyone at certain times but is free at other times, there is no way to enter these into the editor without a hack. The least hacky way is to make a toll-free restriction for the times when the road charges a toll, and to select a vehicle type that can't and probably won't be used in the app, such as public transportation or bus or truck. We have to do this, because WME doesn't allow us to save a toll free restriction that applies to nothing. Can we get WME to allow toll-free restrictions that have no criteria except for valid times/dates, so that there's no need for this hack?

I know that this is more of a WME suggestion, but Daliah asked me to post it here since it relates to toll pricing.

moweez wrote:

Kartografer wrote:For time-based tolls, where a road charges a toll to everyone at certain times but is free at other times, there is no way to enter these into the editor without a hack. The least hacky way is to make a toll-free restriction for the times when the road charges a toll, and to select a vehicle type that can't and probably won't be used in the app, such as public transportation or bus or truck. We have to do this, because WME doesn't allow us to save a toll free restriction that applies to nothing. Can we get WME to allow toll-free restrictions that have no criteria except for valid times/dates, so that there's no need for this hack?

I know that this is more of a WME suggestion, but Daliah asked me to post it here since it relates to toll pricing.

The only thing you avoid with the hack is a toll penalty in routing. For the prices you can enter the times. At free times, it will return 0 (or nothing')

An alternative workaround for routing perhaps is to make an extra road (2 segments) without toll mapped under the other one, open at the times when it is toll-free. Scripts like validator and magic will give a warning, but it solves the issue.

Yes, entering prices of 0 is also necessary, in the case that someone's route includes a toll road somewhere else. We don't want the default price of the part-time free road to be added onto the price of the other toll road.

A penalty is applied to toll roads even for users who don't have avoid tolls on, so that can make a difference in routing. Of course the "avoid toll roads" penalty makes a big difference. Other hacks can be employed (thanks for yours), but I've been advised to see if staff will fix things before resorting to hacks. So I'm suggesting this, now that we have the interface to support it.

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Would it be an idea to set the tool so, that at least within one country, the files of other users can be edited?
For example, we want summarize our ferries per state in one file. If the account is not able to make a changes (have no time, illness, etc), there is only a difficult way to replace the old file ...

Can we get the warnings / errors that show on save to text wrap in the pop-up box, it is extremely difficult to read and understand the warnings when you can't see it all

Would Staff please consider a confirmation/rejection message to the editor who has submitted a toll file (either new, change, or deletion). Now that the spreadsheet has over 1700 entries and continues to grow it is not exactly a fun experience to have to search/scroll through it daily on the off-chance your entry has been dealt with.

As we have to submit our username with any toll file change you should be able to send us a simple message to say "toll file xxx has been actioned" at least.

Suggestions (I've sent by E-mail, sorry):

[Not related to the toll tool]
is there any parameter to provide to the Livemap URL (example: &rp_tollPrice=true) to make the routing server return the "live" prices from the app ? (even if it won't be shown by the livemap interface, I know how to read it from the console).

[Related to the toll tool]
If not, could you please create a function "add all files from COUNTRY_X to the playground"? Or at least allow to select files with a checkbox and then a single "add to playground" button.

Otherwise, I must add around 20 files one by one each time and it takes ages.

I got as feedback (looking on Loaded & pending roads) that a file can't be uploaded (Italy_NorthEast) because the same segments are listed in another file (Italy_Central).

Shouldn't the Playground already check this, when I load both files? If yes, it gives me no errors.

I've written a small script to check it on my own, and I've found no duplicates within the segments' IDs and sections' names. How can I find out what the problem is?

Can't the people who upload the files reach out with more details?

Since tolls include components from WME and the Toll Tool to be "integrated" - and WME Tile updates and Toll Verification/Uploads are dys-synchronous from each other, I am wondering what can be done as far as change management when updates are needed, either because toll prices are increasing, or because there are changes in road structure or tolling structure. Well coordinated uploads of Toll files (or possibility of community upload as suggested) would certainly be welcome.

I think of this as I'm thinking about changing a toll structure from existing two one-way directional files with Matrix in/out formatting, into a single bidirectional in/out matrix file for easier long term maintenance. But this conversion would also require changes in some WME segments. Without tight coordination between the Tile updates and Toll upload it could be days or weeks without toll prices if this sort of update is made.

As a start I think it would be good for us to have notifications or ETAs on when Toll uploads are planned. OR we could request in advance a Toll upload date, or have a way to specify an activation date for an update Toll file, and have a way to specify a date that an active Toll file gets replaced by a new one.

moweez wrote:

Ottolenga wrote:
IMPLEMENTED IN JULY

• Search for file by road name, file name & username

At which level will it search the road name?

So far, my tests show the following can be entered in the search box and find the file

File Name
Username

Under Toll Section:
Toll_ID
road_local_name

Under Segments Section
id
fromNode
toNode