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EV Charging points - A new UK Project

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EDIT: Please see update on this (posted 24th July 2023).


As I mentioned a few days ago, we are now about to embark on a major project to import, review and correctly position all the EV Charging point in the whole of the UK.

These will be initially added to the WME as PUR's and will initially be locked to L4. We expect a trial batch of about 500 to arrive within the next day or so. Once we have worked through and cleared these and checked the process actually works as expected, we will get the first of several larger imports,

In total there are around 24,000 to do (of that about 8,000 are inside the M25, so the London editors are going to be particularly busy).

The process is fairly simple, but will take time:

Identify an EV PUR,  Accept it, move it to the correct position, if needed update the address details and whether it is a public one or a restricted use (such as in a hotel car park, purely for the use of customers).

Add any details about the location of the Charging point in the car park - such as "Chargers are located in the NE corner of the Car Park" This goes in the Location in Venue box.

Please do not change the other details about the charger. If you think something is wrong, please post the link and details in the Editors Requests forum.

If there is already an existing EV place point there, then merge the 2, using the data from the new one, but any useful data (photos?) from the original one. If the data conflicts then leave the two and post the location in the Editors Requests forum and someone else will have a look.

If there is no sign of any charger there (unlikely as the data has been supplier by the actual Charger providers) then again, leave the PUR or accepted place point, and post it in the Editors Forum for one of us to check.

The Champs have a spreadsheet to report back any issues we find while doing this work. 

It is important that you do not reject any of these, as this breaks the link back to the source data and will probably result in it either being lost forever or keep being re-added (I am not sure which)

This is the biggest project we have undertaken and the launch of this feature in Waze in the UK is dependent on how quickly we can complete this task, so please can I ask you all to spend as much time on this as you can spare over the next few weeks.

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Post by andrewinlancashire
On the Google sheet, Column K 'Number of CS', seems to have some providers counting the number of charging sockets and others counting the number of charging units (which may have multiple sockets).

For instance, this EVCS is noted having 'Number of CS' as 2 on the sheet (Row 1518) - there are 2 sockets here on 1 unit - 2 cars can charge.

While this EVCS has 'Number of CS' as 2 (Row 1517) but there are actually 4 sockets on 2 units - I've used this one in the past so I know number of vehicles able to charge is 4.

Are we to read 'Number of CS' as the number of vehicles able to charge at one time and set status to 'problem' if this number is incorrect?

I've also seen payment types from the feed being incorrect. 1517 had 'debit and membership card' come through from the feed while I'm 90% sure you can only use the Pod Point app here.  :roll:  I presume you don't want their status set to problem on the sheet? Just correct the details where you can?
 
 
 
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Post by andrewinlancashire
I don't think the process here is the same across the group.

Take Row 1533 for example, Sheet shows 'No of CS' = 3. It's flagged as 'Problem' with comment reading "Should be one device".

If you look at the Google aerials you see two EV bays and the Osprey map suggests two cars can charge (one connection has a choice of two sockets - see image).

So it's right that 1533 is a 'Problem' but 'No of CS' should be 2 (not 3 or 1) - as an EV driver you only care about the type of connector, speed and the number of charging bays (2).


https://i.ibb.co/2qh6bvS/Osprey-EVCS-example-60.png

Another example on row 951 of an EVCS with the sheet showing 'No of CS' =8. It's flagged as 'Problem' but 8 cars can charge here - there are 8 sockets, 8 bays (just about visible on Here maps) but the sheet comment reads "4 chargers with 2 sockets each". Whilst technically correct, I don't think this should be flagged.

I'm not trying to tread on any toes and I understand how challenging putting together the guidance must be but I think there needs to be clarification as to what we're counting when checking 'No of CS' - for me I think it should be number of cars that can charge at the same time, not how many sockets or chargers there are.
 
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Post by andrewinlancashire
Two possible connections. Sorry - not very clear - the image relates to the first example.


Edit: I've spent a bit more time thinking about it and I guess 'No of CS' should equal number of devices regardless as to how many sockets they have or how many cars can charge from each. This would make both examples in my last post right to be flagged as 'Problem'. I just don't think it's only me that's confused by this as, looking at the Google sheet, people are going about it differently.
 
 
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Post by andrewinlancashire
I wish I did know better.  :lol:

I'm keeping a log of every one I do. If someone comes back and says I should be treating 'No of CS' as number of connectors and not number of devices then it's not going to be too difficult to go back and edit them.
 
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Post by andrewinlancashire
Sounds like a plan. It seems to be every other one that's problematic.
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Post by andrewinlancashire
I haven't really found out what 'No of CS' actually relates to - could be 'Charge Stations' (devices at the site) or total number of 'Connection Sockets'. If you think about it too much, what you said about the status of each socket would require us to then give separate numbers of each type of connector, as users are generally only going be looking for the availability of one or two socket types. That data has to come from the operator as half the time we're just guessing otherwise.

Therefore, with seeing other editors counting them differently, I've decided to go for the higher-level number of devices, rather than sockets. I'm just worried that without us all doing it the correct way (whatever that may be) we're maybe making work for ourselves further down the line.
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Post by andrewinlancashire
Yes. I've given up worrying what 'No of CS' on the Gsheet actually stands for. Nobody seems to know. Approving the ones I can locate correctly and identify as public/restricted/private is what I'm going for.
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Post by atrophicshiner
At this time we are only talking about PURs from the data provider, it is highly likely that this will be an ongoing drip feed in the future. I would suggest you don't manually add any EVCS to the map as we have 25,000 expected from the feed to review and the more we manually try to add the more merging we will have to do at the same time.

As Ian has mentioned there is a small number of PURs already showing in WME that are locked to L4 but we should not take any action on these as we are expected to be validating the accuracy via a Google Sheet which we don't have edit access to at present and all L4 editors wishing to be involved will need to work from.
 
This is a stand alone project to get Waze EV ready and is not tied to any other function in Waze. Waze would happily do similar with fuel stations if we can provide an open source feed for them to use.
 
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Post by atrophicshiner
BtBalways wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:56 pm Permalink

Is this a private point and acceptable?





 
This charging point appears to be in the Hillingdon Sports & Leisure Complex car park and can be seen in SV images.
 
 
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Post by atrophicshiner
Ianinessex wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:30 pm Point not found. Streetview is 2023 and does not show a charger here.
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StreetView appears to be from 2018 at best and can be seen as the first 2 bays in from the car park entrance from further away.
 
 
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