Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:47 am
Read the law again. It's "of course" not clear, that it is illegal.Colonel667 wrote:Of course it's illegal here in Germany.
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Read the law again. It's "of course" not clear, that it is illegal.Colonel667 wrote:Of course it's illegal here in Germany.
It even isn't illegal for the driver. Because the law was never about Navigation software or Mobile phones. The law is about those old Devices, that could receive the laser-rays and warn when they "see" the laser.davipt wrote:- if it's clear that it's illegal for the driver to use the feature of radar DB POI while driving on a public road in Germany
On the other hand, they could just decide they have other things to do while we wait. The problem is that some of us might have faith that there is study and review going on. Others may not have so much faith. This communication problem is one that waze could easily solve.AlanOfTheBerg wrote:If, after study and review, they determine cameras can be put back legally, they will. We just have to wait. Working with lawyers can take months just to figure out the simplest of things sometimes.
+1 for the comment on talking to the community first.top_gun_de wrote:Shirli,shirlig wrote:Hi guys,
We have just removed from the map all the speed cameras in Denmark, Switzerland and Germany due to it being illegal in these countries.
we are examining ways to make Waze compliant with French law as well
Thanks,
Shirli
it would have been nice to discuss this with the community in these countries before taking such drastic measures. Waze has just established channeled community communications.
Best regards,
Detlev
Yes, and there's the *big* difference compeared to germany. In switzerland, the device or application itself is illegal to start with, and it's forbidden by law to develop, sell, or make available such devices.McFloyd wrote:Art. 98a1 SVG
Warnungen vor Verkehrskontrollen
1 Mit Busse wird bestraft, wer:
a.
Geräte oder Vorrichtungen, die dazu bestimmt sind, die behördliche Kontrolle des Strassenverkehrs zu erschweren, zu stören oder unwirksam zu machen, einführt, anpreist, weitergibt, verkauft, sonst wie abgibt oder überlässt, in Fahrzeuge einbaut, darin mitführt, an ihnen befestigt oder in irgendeiner Form verwendet;
Waze hat leider keinen Spielraum... Vielleicht müssten wir halt eine Volsinitiative lancieren, die erlaubt, sich vor Radarfallen warnen zu lassen...
Yeah, that's pretty ironic. *If* there really would be a legal issue here, it would still exist unchanged.blackb0x wrote: what i don't understand: reporting mobile speed cams still is possible.
Obviously through Google. Consider there *really* would be a legal issue for the manufacturer of the app. It would have never affected Waze, as Waze as no official office in the EU, let alone the individual countries. Even if they would break german (or swiss) law, nobody could do anything against them.and another thing: german laws on speed cams have been the same for a very long time now. how come waze came up with that right now?
Irrelevant. Waze is not "only" for speepcams either. The question is what is it's main function, not what it's called. Otherwise I start selling radar detection devices that can also open beer cans.milkyway35 wrote:Report police is not only for mobile speedcams.
Not sure about your country, but over here, forever. That would be against the constitution, and violate probably about a dozen EU privacy laws.Kuhlkatz wrote: You guys also seem to forget that Waze 'stores' your drives, which other navigation systems do not. How long would it be before the operators of mobile or fixed cameras gets the bright idea to sue Waze or Google as the parent company for 'loss of income' due to the camera warnings.