I can’t make the title descriptive enough.
Basically I wanted to say that low level editors should be allowed to edit non-essential characteristics or roads locked to higher level.
Here I’m mainly referring to house numbers and speed limits. I love the speed limits, and in the area where I managed I’ve tried to add most of the speed limits I know, and also remember them from my drives.
The problem is that the main, most used roads are locked to a high level.
There are cities where most roads are locked at lvl2 with the main ones locked even higher.
A lvl2 editor like me, can’t change those speed limits, as the road is blocked above it’s level.
The same goes for house numbers.
What I would like is to have something similar to what we have now for places that are locked above your level.
For example in my home city all the main roads are locked to lvl 4+. I am at lvl 2 and also the AM.
I could bother the CM and give him a huge list for each segment and the speed limit.
But I think it would be easier if I could just edit the speed limit, and then talk to him to approve it.
The CM knows me, he knows I do I decent job, as this could speed things up a lot. He just has to double check if he want through street view and click accept.
This way I get the edit points and grow up in level, and he makes sure we have a good map.
This could be implemented everywhere: new road connections (a side street to a main road locked at lvl4). Right now, if I want that connection, I have to contact the CM or AM in the region and tell him what to do and where. I could do it, he could approve it and that would go faster in updating the road. If for example there is a turn not allowed, he gets all the points, while I spend more time reporting that problem (and get zero points). Instead if I just wanted points I could just map farm roads or mall parking lots. But I want to grow in level and at the same time improve the map.
P.S. when I’m referring to points I actually mean edits. In some places there is a huge problem, where a lvl1/2 editor who drives only in the city can’t really edit the map as all of it is locked to a higher level and makes it very hard for him to get to a higher level.
If you are able to really work with your CM well, then they could lower the lock level temporarily for you to add in the speed limits and then after that he can go ahead and relock.
In terms of calling speed limits non-essential, at the moment they are, though when they go into the live app, it may not be. House numbers for me I do not see as non-essential, though I do see where you are coming from.
when I said non-essential I meant that waze can still work if a lower level editor messes up. In the end this is why some road are locked at higher level, so that a lower level editor can’t destroy the map on purpose or by mistake. If a speed limit is set wrong, or a house number, waze will still do the most import thing (routing) properly. If a node is broken, then waze will not work properly. This is why I called it non-essential.
I try to work with my CMs as well as possible, but we are all volunteers and our schedules rarely coincide. When I wrote the message I was lvl2, in the mean time, as there wasn’t anyone available to help in my area I was promoted to lvl3.
I also did the lowering level, but sometimes is dangerous. I wanted to add all the roads on a mountain pass, which was highly relevant. It had to be lowered to lvl2 for a while, as there were a lot of small road that needed to be added, but that was risky as a rouge editor could of destroyed the map easily. It took me a few good weeks to finish that edit. Sometimes I might have 5 hours per day, other times I have 1hours, and after I respond to UR, I might have left 20 minutes.
LVL2 is easy to obtain, or at least was when I started. So there can be a lot of lvl2, some of which have only basic editing skills. Hell I still did mistakes in the first few months until I became a AM, now I learned to use the scripts and to pay extra attention. I might still make mistakes.
But you get the point. Let any level edit, and then the AM or CM or higher level can have a look over the edits and decide if they are correct or not.
This way things can move faster and everybody is happy. The low level editors can learn and advance and the map gets updated by someone who knows it and drives on it daily.
I think this feature is important, because low level editors can improve the maps by themselves by adding street number or update the speed on segments it does not create any problem if there is an error on this kind of field but it really improve the quality of the map at the end.
With that it will also add new editors on the maps. If you look at maps like Paris ile de France everything is locked level 5 but there is many things missing and the job is too high for CM to delock and relock after each modifications.
New editors must find something to edit in their area where they drive or near their home !
you can avoid it since he can’t touch the important roads locked to lvl2 or higher. Even if he tries to draw something, he will not be able to connect to them.
In my area, since I had problems with lvl1 who had no idea what they were doing, on all the road I knew and checked myself I’ve changed the lvl to lvl2. there are sufficient lvl2 that I trust to allow them to manage it, but that is rarely the case as the roads in the city don’t really change.
What could be implemented, as I said before, would be a system similar to the one used now for new editors and places.
Where an editor whos lvl is under the locked level can make some changes, and then another editor with sufficient editing privileges can approve it or reject it.
This way the high level editor (like 5&6) have less to do, as they only have to double check when they have the time. At the same time, low lvl editors can acquire points when their edits get approve, and grow in lvl and at the same time, the high level editor can supervise them.
In the capitals or big cities where you have a lot of users, most of the roads are locked at higher level, so a new editor, sometimes even a lvl 2 editor can not edit anything on his route home-work, which might be entirely in the city.
ok. from now on I will stop trying to explain the idea again to people who don’t even bother to read what I wrote before.
YOU WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE CHANGES BY A LOW LEVEL EDITOR BEFORE THEY ARE APPLIED.
Iceland is a small island. there are a lot of countries with a small community and usually with the high lvls concentrated around the capital, and in the other side of the country a few lvl 2 and mostly lvl 1 who can’t modify too much.
The same goes for the capital or big cities (>1mil) where waze locks automatically the road to a high level, and the lvl1 has nothing to edit.
I understand these words but if a liv1 edits SL or HN on 100segments with liv > 1 and another editor needs to approve all single segments … this is not a solution. If a liv > 1 needs to approve all segments with a single click, I think is a bad solution … but ofc this is a personal opinion and expert editors will have a more broad view of the problem
so you are telling me that you don’t need new editors of higher ranking in your country?
Or that it takes you less time to click confirm/reject than it takes you to pun in the values manually? Considering you might never drive there, but you could talk to 2-3 people and find out if that is really the case.
Or maybe the solution adopted right now in certain places makes sense? where a high level editor puts in the speed limits based on the input of low level editors. this way the low level editors put in the work but get zero points.
Or maybe syncing your time with a low level editor to lower the lock level for a segment, he can put the speed limit, and then you raise it again is faster?
I’m sorry but it seems that a lot of people think only of themselves and don’t consider that in certain places, low level editor (even lvl2 or 3) could do a lot more if they would be a solution like I proposed.
This would be my last post on this, as some people seems to either not caring and just posting in the lines of “it’s stupid” or reading between the lines.
I will still read the post, and answer other problems if they haven’t yet been mentioned yet.
Really if a level 1 editor make a change on street number or speed limits, it is because he knows the right information because he goes near that road less than 3 months. You also don’t need a real knowledge of WME for these kind of updates.
We have to make confidence of new editors for this kind of updates. If you don’t make any confidence, you will have no new editors in the future.
Some Editors are unable (because they don’t know better) to change from mp/h to km/h. It’s really annoying and if you set the Speed right and they change it. E.g. on a Major Highway… You suddenly have allowed 154 km/h… So you will wonder, what the hell happened… Or they try to calculate. Then you suddenly have 31 km/h instead of 30. Looks stupid in the App… Believe me
Maybe it should be like on places. Someone has to confirm it if it is over their level. A simple, easy and effective solution.
This is a bug ! Waze must solve it. If it is the only reason why you don’t agree that feature, I hope Waze will solve that problem before they will implement this new way for lock levels
That error can be showed on the editor and does not create any problem for the routing which is the most important. Remember lock levels were implementing to avoid basics errors with arrows on road with huge trafic for example.
Sorry for deleting my text before. I totally got you wrong [emoji38] (still miss my first coffee)
With Tapatalk it’s difficult to make an quote (reediting… ) so if it won’t work, I’m also sorry.
I love the feature. Its just really annoying if you see these strange speed limits. And have to clean up after these guys. They just don’t get it, that you can switch from imperial to metric system.
Guys, since you are all AMs or CMs here I feel like I can talk to you differently than new Wazers who write their first few posts.
But you are wasting energy by debating this here between yourselves, making a point here doesn’t really serve any purpose as I don’t need to tell you how many people from staff read this forum section…
If you’ve observed the feature requests mechanism in the past year as I did, you will know where and how to actually make the request to hope that it actually works one day, and also that even for the most popular ones it often takes months before staff finally gets us something to test out.
so where and how should we make a feature request?
I didn’t had time like you
I got a bit aggressive because some people (especially form very small countries) assumed that everyone in the world is horrible and didn’t even bother to fully read and understand my suggestion.
We have big problems in some places where level 1s have to drive a lot outside their route to get to places where they can edit.
user voice if for every user. I would like to think that we are a bit more special and this request does not include normal users but mostly map editors.
Also this section of the forum is called WME user suggestion. SO I would assume this is the perfect place, or at least better than uservoice.
I hate to break it to you but being an editor is not enough to make Waze listen to you more carefully, they don’t even treat Global Champs suggestions more importantly than others… And once again staff doesn’t monitor these forums so your suggestion is only being read by other Wazers.
The top most voted suggestions in uservoice of these past years all ended up being implemented. Not any request only from a thread here.
Oh.
I was not feeling special or anything like that. I do like that all of us are equal, but I was expecting that having a suggestion subtopic in the forum for some of your editors would be useful.
I was expecting them to try and read what we, a small portion of the editors are doing, especially since we are the ones creating the maps they serve to the general users.
I’m not saying they are ungrateful or that they should build us statues, but I do think that they should consider any suggestion given to them by an editor, if that suggestion would help improve the quality of their maps. Because in the end, the quality of the map gives us the quality of the entire program and routing.
I’ve quite Waze as a user 4 times when it routed me in the most stupid way do to some wrong addresses pulled from Gmaps that made me almost miss a plane. Back then I had no idea it was actually because it pulled the address from google, for me the navigation app was really bad (might of used a bit harsher words).
Anyhow. I’m kind of loosing hope with this and interest. If it was a nice thing initially now I’ve seen that compared to Gmaps, Waze is not consistent across different countries, and what it would be a turn-left in Romania/Denmark is only a keep left in Austria (although you’re crossing into traffic and on the ground the arrow might point left). Or that some editors decide to make changes as they se fit and not really follow the general approach taken by normal a normal GPS when it comes to speed limits and much more.
Thank you very much for your answer. I will reconsider being a waze editor as at this point is not as fun as it used to be.
