On the USA Wiki (https://wazeopedia.waze.com/wiki/USA/Turn_instruction_override#Toll), it is stipulated thatWhen the best continuation is tolled, marked or unmarked (toll roads, bridges, paid entrances into large areas, etc.), add a Continue TIO, paired with a named stub segment if necessary. For barrier-toll systems, add the TIO only at the beginning of the toll area. Do not force a Continue at intermediate toll barriers.
I found that a lot of times, this TIO (and/or the Stub) was not added in HK, and most of the time (when crossing harbour or before I get into a tunnel), Waze advised that the next action is miles ahead (usually after I finished driving the whole tunnel).
I am familiar with HK so I’m fine with that as I already know which tunnel I will be crossing. I chose my route in Waze before I set off anyway. For people who are unfamiliar and who heavily rely on satnav systems, they may not be aware they are entering a toll area so adding a Stub with TIO could be a good reminder.
What do you guys think? Do you think it’d be helpful to add TIO?
Leo, are there any examples of such in the UK? How is the “reminder” stub segment named? For example “Toll Area > Blah Road” or “Blah Road (Toll Area)”?
I don’t think we have this hack in the UK. I did many toll roads in North East area but never done TOI for toll. Even we haven’t done that for the big area such as London congestion zone.
In US, they just add the continue TOI. The Stub is just like a wayfinder. If the purpose is to remind driver entering the toll, it may be good to add a tiny segment say “continue toll road…” etc.
staff area is a hack and I wouldn’t suggest to map that on Waze otherwise more and more people will follow Waze and use the hack and then they just don’t let us use it.
I know Tai Lam Tunnel (which is built and operated by private company) is known for not letting you hack your way out. I mean, they will let you make u-turn to go back without entering the tunnel twice, but they’ll still charge you the fee as you already entered the “toll area” (toll area starts at the point where you see the sign that says “隧道管制區域”, not just the tunnel) and according to the by-law, they’re allowed to collect fee from you. Other tunnels let you leave without paying is just out of courtesy.
I agree to add a small stub before point of no return, especially if the point of no return is long way from the actual tunnel. In my example above, I already put a “Keep Right” TIO (Turn-Instruction Override), but reading the USA wiki, we can actually use “Continue” instead of “Keep Right”. As for the name of the stub, we may add something in the name to indicate that it will lead to a toll area. Any suggestion for the format of the segment name? It’s better to agree a single format and we use the same naming format everywhere in HK
I agree with you. The driver will totally miss the instruction if two consecutive instructions were given in a short time. I raised this issue in the first post simply because I saw such “Continue TIO” on the USA wiki page, perhaps we should have a look at how the US people implement it in real situation. I guess the idea of “continue” stub is a reminder when you have been driving N kilometres along the highway and by continuing on the highway (not changing any lanes, not exiting, not taking any actions whatsoever), you will enter a toll area, such as Permalink and Permalink. We might not need to enter it on every entrance of every single toll area. If it were an exit instruction, we could perhaps put the “toll area” text in the same exit ramp and not put it as an individual ramp segment? After all, we want to remind drivers they are about to enter the toll area BEFORE entering it so they can decide whether to continue enter the toll area.
As far as I know, marking it as “Toll” turn on the “Toll” indicator when Waze first gave you the ETA, and also on the “choose alternative route” screen (see attached), but it will not give any further hints when driving. You’re supposed to know the chosen route contains toll anyway. Of course it would be lovely if Waze can make use of this indicator to tell Wazer, say “toll road ahead in 2km”, by using a banner similar to speed camera or traffic congestion, but then this is beyond what we can do as map editors for now.
When I first initiate the post, I only intend to add the continue TIO if the driver will enter a toll road by taking no action (i.e. going straight). There is no need to add the toll warning on every toll entrance. For example, if the driver is going to take a ramp off the current toll-free road onto a toll road, we are already giving him the “exit left onto xxx”, so it would confuse him very much by saying “exit left and then continue”.
Therefore, I would not suggest adding an extra “continue” here. Too much instructions within a short period of time la. If you try driving this route once yourself, I’m sure you’ll find it confusing too. I could cope because I saw the WME layout before I drove :lol: . Most Wazers (users) have not seen the WME so they didn’t know how the map was drawn.
I’m happy to discuss if you have a different view on this.
One more thing about toll roads. I have been marking toll roads from start of the tunnel control area, till the end of the tunnel control area, but I also learnt from wiki’s best advice that we should only mark the toll for the segment that contains toll booth but not the segments leading up to the toll booth segment even if there are not exits to drive anywhere else.
Have I been doing it wrong all the time? May be I should stick to best map editing practice.
There aren’t many tunnel / bridges that are tolled in hk (twenty?), so if we need to make changes, it’s not going to take a big effort. I just want all editors to be consistent and mark the tolls in the same way. Whichever way is fine for me.
IIRC why the wazeopedia says “…do not make the whole road to toll…” because some toll roads are between city to city and it is a loooooong way. I don’t think it is a problem in HK.