There is a lot of long term, on going construction on the I-45 Gulf freeway, a few updates need to be made to reflect this. I’m a lowly level 1 editor, you wize help would be appreciated!
1st, Level 5 edit:
The exit at the end of the southbound I-45 H.O.V. lane needs to be updated. Currently Waze has the I45 South HOV lane exiting onto the south bound ‘Gulf Fwy’ frontage road, recent construction changed it so it exits directly onto the I-45 South main lanes.
Just south of the edit above, the very next south bound on-ramp that went from the Gulf Fwy frontage road to I-45 South is closed until late fall, I have already deleted this, but I’m bringing it up because the GPS tracks make it look like it is in use. However, if you look closely you’ll see these GPS tracks are coming from the rerouted H.O.V exit I mentioned above and not from the frontage road. This edit needs to be confirmed.
Finally, due to the same construction, the I-45 Northbound off-ramp for Scarsdale Blvd. has reopened. I added it back, but someone needs to confirm it.
Okay, I connected this ramp for you. However, you have to confirm it by entering a road name and city name. The road remained red because you didn’t complete the required fields.
Thanks! I have named the off ramp based on the road signage and the naming convention for Waze you linked to. I also routed the HOV off ramp to match the new layout.
Texas 2553 is also known as FM 2553 (FM = Farm to Market), as far as I’m aware it isn’t a State Route / SR but I could be wrong. There are other intersections that the signage says ‘FM 2553’, none that I’m aware of call it a State Route or SR. To make it more confusing TX/FM 2553 is Scarsdale Blvd; got to love Texas’ habit of using multiple names for one stretch of blacktop. Per the naming conventions, I was trying to match the sign as much as possible (see attached). However that was the old sign that has been replaced, so I’ll look tomorrow and see if it has changed.
Has the community decided to label Farm to Market (FM) roads as SR even though street signs will not say that?
FM/RM roads are NOT the same as State Hwys. They serve a different purpose. Although there is disagreement in the state on how exactly to label them, road type, there is an agreement to label them as FM or RM (not in the Houston area) and the number. As far as editing is concerned, if SH 2553 and Scarsdale Rd are the same road, then according to the Wiki, Scarsdale Rd is the primary name and the state highway is an alternate name.
So Scarsdale Blvd is the primary road. Another issue I just realized, this is the exit for the Beltway 8 Frontage Road, not Beltway 8 itself (there is a direct ramp off the interstate for Beltway 8 ).
Why would you not put a dash in the FM road? All highway abbreviations call for a dash. There shouldn’t be any spaces. That’s going to make it impossible to ever attach a shield to it if they ever come up with an FM shield.
From a discussion we had last year, there would never be a shield for FM roads. Unless I’m missing something. Right now, Waze reads out “Farm to Market Road xxx” for FM roads without the dash.
Oh really? I didn’t know it converted that for TTS. We don’t have any FMs in Louisiana. If it’s not going to be shielded, then nevermind. I was thinking of it like any other highway.
I re-read the Road Naming Wiki, specifically the sections on ‘alternate names.’ Since FM-2553 is not on most of the road signage, but Scarsdale Blvd. is on all the road signs I did the following:
Go ahead and take the dash out. Txemt is the Texas state authority, so if he says no dash, then it’s no dash.
The exit ramp should not have an alternate name though…the ramp is not FM 2553…it leads to it. I don’t think there’s ever a reason for a ramp to have an alt name anyway.
The ramp should be named whatever is on the big green sign, with the exception that our abbreviations should be used. So that means “Exit 31: Scarsdale Blvd / FM 2553 / Beltway 8 / Frontage Rd”
I’m going with the convention of putting the highway numbers last…I’m not sure about the Frontage Road…is that the “Beltway 8 Frontage Rd”, or is it independent of Beltway 8? If it’s independent, then it gets the slash, if not, then no slash. What it looks to me is that the Primary called “Gulf Fwy” is what they’re referring to as the Frontage Rd, so I would put the slash. And if it’s too long, then leave out the Frontage Rd Part completely.
Now, if anything…Scarscale Blvd north of I-45 should be Alt Named FM 2553.
In looking at the Permalink, there’s an exit a little further north for Beltway 8 (although it’s not labeled as such), so I’m thinking that the “Frontage Rd” part of the exit should just read “Frontage Rd” not necessarily “Beltway 8 Frontage Rd” and here’s my reasoning:
When you exit the exit in question, you hit the I-45 Frontage Rd (labeled as Gulf Fwy) and you can have the option later to stay on the frontage rd or take the Beltway frontage rd, so it’s not necessarily designated for the Beltway 8 frontage rd. I understand the Wiki says to label what the sign says prior to the exit, but if that’s the case, then the exit should read “Tx 2553” or “State Hwy 2553.”
But “Tx 2553” isn’t the naming convention…it’s either SR-#### or FM ####. Does that shield on the BGS indicate a State Highway/Route or a Farm to Market? Is the BGS in error?
Probably an error on the part of the TXDOT. Or maybe at one time, some or all of the FM roads were State Highways. I had to send Banished a PM on my recent trip to Florida because I was getting a CR-## instruction where the sign showed that number with a state shield…turns out that the state highway hasn’t existed in years, but the DOT continues to maintain a state shield sign there.
I’ve noticed a few mistakes around the state from TxDot. I pass by a sign that is labeled as State Hwy 87 Bypass, when in fact it should be labeled US Hwy 87 Bypass. I’ve also noticed and have contacted TxDot on the mislabeling of 3 exits. People are gonna be PISSED when they get around to fixing that, which I’ve been assured, should happen later on this year.
Old exit numbers 160, 161, & 162 will be relabeled as exit 161A, 161B, & 161C.
