Landmarks

Timbones · July 9, 2012, 7:20pm

It’s about preventing bogus traffic reports that make Waze look bad, rather than map problems which normal users don’t see.

There’s a simple solution to misplaced labels - leave curving landmarks un-named. Don’t really need them for railways, as they’re pretty obvious anyway.

How about other landmarks?

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dmcconachie · July 9, 2012, 7:21pm

Feels like something that should be solved by devs. Rivers likely to have the same issue.

Timbones · July 9, 2012, 7:23pm

True, but Waze haven’t been the quickest to jump on these kinds of issues.

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Dave2084 · July 9, 2012, 7:48pm

I’m pretty sure iOS attaches the label to the landmark. I’ve never seen a railway landmark label away from the landmark in the way it is shown in the android screenshot. I blame google

Dave2084 · July 9, 2012, 7:51pm

Timbones:

(thread edited to get back on topic)

It seems that we do need a discussion on which landmarks we want/need to see in the client, and how to define them. Some landmarks are already covered in the Wiki, such as Junctions and MSAs. Some are not:

Railways and Stations - see this thread

Public car parks - see this thread

Petrol Stations - important for upcoming gas price feature
To get things rolling, my input is as follows:

Railroads can be converted to long thin landmarks, which don’t cause erroneous navigation or traffic reports.

Stations can just be labelled ‘Railway Station’, and let Bing handle the details.

Public car parks labelled with [P]. (Not sure if name is a necessary addition or not)

Petrol Stations - landmark over entire forecourt, so it’s visible on the map. Parking lot roads in and out, with appropriate directions and turns.
Feel free to pitch in with alternative thoughts, or other Landmarks I’ve missed.

Sounds like you’ve got all the info to add this to the Wiki Tim

One extra thing, any wiki entry needs to define the correct format for adding the phone number for Petrol station landmarks (as me, Tim and Teej were all doing different!)

I vote for +44 1234 567890 (note the proper spacing here) except where it’s a non geographic and then use 0800 123456 etc.

floppyrod84 · July 9, 2012, 9:01pm

Agreed on the international number format with the exception of national non geo numbers, should follow the same, ie +44 870 1234567

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dmcconachie · July 9, 2012, 9:12pm

You sure non-geo numbers work with +44?

Dave2084 · July 9, 2012, 9:18pm

They don’t I just tried +44 800 587 1102 (Xbox Customer Support) and that is not recognised. 0800 587 1102 works fine.

Timbones · July 9, 2012, 10:56pm

I really don’t see the necessity for deciding this now. We don’t know how Waze will be presenting this data (if at all), or who would be dialing petrol stations anyway. Waze might sort out the number format automatically (unlikely), or they might be for some other purpose (like matching to an external source).

(Also, this is outside the scope of the Wiki, as most editors aren’t able to access this feature yet).

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floppyrod84 · July 10, 2012, 3:00am

Nevertheless, I think it would be a safe assumption that Waze are going to use only the data we provide, so getting it right first time is a must. +44 and 08 it looks like.

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Dave2084 · July 10, 2012, 8:09am

It needs to be in the wiki ready for when the masses get their hands on it.

dknight212 · July 10, 2012, 8:20am

For the uninitiated can you explain why we need international style phone numbers and in fact why petrol stations need phone numbers at all?

Timbones · July 10, 2012, 8:58am

That’s my point. We don’t. We don’t even know if or when the gas price feature will be made available to us or how it will work, and so until then I’m only adding a handful of stations for testing purposes. If I need to go back and update the phone numbers, I know where they are.

Let’s try and get the other landmarks types sorted first; how they’re drawn and labelled.

dknight212 · July 10, 2012, 9:03am

So the numbers are there for people to check prices?

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Dave2084 · July 10, 2012, 6:22pm

I have spent most of they day on IRC in conjunction with Timbones (and anyone else who popped in) bouncing ideas back and forth and looking at various forum threads.

So … we (me and Tim) have created a draft Wiki page detailing all things landmark and need some feedback. Some sections need more input but it’s a good start:
http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_label_and_name_landmarks_(United_Kingdom)

I have also added a Section to the “How to label and name roads” wiki for Lay-bys:
http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_label_and_name_roads_(United_Kingdom)#Lay-bys

Needless to say this is all in draft status so should not be used to edit the map yet.

Comments and suggestions on both please …

richardjeeves · July 10, 2012, 6:40pm

Love the page Dave, it solves a few questions i have been wondering.

the only thing i would debate is the size of named roundabouts. Near me i know of a few that are about 20-25m that are named on the approaching road signs.

Dave2084 · July 10, 2012, 6:45pm

That’s why it had the comment in red, I’m not sure either. I just know that on some of the smaller ones the name can stop you from seeing where you are going!

There’s a few comments in red on the landmarks page, these need answers so speak your mind!

floppyrod84 · July 10, 2012, 7:14pm

Tim we do know that we’re getting it. Shirli said as much.

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Dave2084 · July 10, 2012, 7:21pm

A load of BP stations have been added to the map in WME today. Some over existing landmarks!

floppyrod84 · July 10, 2012, 10:52pm

Looks pretty sweet. Better than mine.

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