So we got a couple offramps that should probably be renamed to match the signs nearby:
- This one should be named “to SR-30 W / Wayland”[/*]
- This one should be named “to SR-30 E / Newton / Boston”[/*]
Thanks!
GooberKing(2)
Done.
I had to change the left sided two-way into two separate one-ways so that the instructions the other way didn’t get screwed up.
Also referred it to MA-30 per the wiki (although a bit controversial it seems).
Good catch. In that case, this ramp should say “to I-95 N / Portsmouth NH”
Thanks for catching that as well. Done.
Almost. The sign doesn’t say “Waltham” anymore…
You mean in “real life” (as opposed to streetview)?!!??? Okay, if you can confirm it. . .I’ll change it.
Yea, if you look at the street view from the eastbound side of the road (which is more recent that the westbound side for some reason), you can see the sign just says “to I-95 N / Portsmouth NH”…
Funny, there was a streetview shot from September 2013, and it still had Walham. Then on another Streetview from October 2013 a new sign was up without Waltham. What are the chances?
Anyway, anything else missed here?
Nope, I think that’ll do it. Thanks!
I know I marked this one solved, but I just noticed that you put the “MA-30” at the end of those ramp names instead of the beginning. Any chance you can fix that, just to keep things consistent?
Thanks!
okay that’s set as well.
heh Now the “to” is in the wrong place. They should both read exactly as I had posted in my original message…
“to” is not in the wrong place. It’s not a route or path to MA-30. You’re actually turning on to MA-30 (unless I’m wrong here), and they’re routes to Weyland, Newton, and Boston.
The reason the “to” needs to go first is because, otherwise, the instructions will say “Stay to the right to MA-30 / to Newton / Boston”. See here for more information on naming ramps…
Complicated. You are referencing exit ramps and entrance ramps. This is not really exit ramp naming (i.e., from a freeway). Now you’re dealing with wayfinder naming. See examples here in the Junction Style Guide.
Personally doesn’t matter a lot to me as I don’t drive this road and haven’t heard the TTS give me instructions here, so I don’t know how awkward it may or may not sound; I’m just trying to follow (my interpretation of) the current waze guidance. Unfortunately it’s . . .complicated. Tell you what, I’ll ask some guidance from a champ and let you know what is advised!
Hey guys, I’m no champ, but I was asked to give an opinion here, so here goes…
Short answer; these are freeway/highway entrances and exits, and should follow the US entrance/exit naming conventions.
This ramp should be named starting with a lowercase “to”. “to I-95 N / Portsmouth NH” (The “to” is always lowercase on a ramp name)
These exit ramps are a continuation of the previous exit ramp and are not a road in-and-of-themselves, they should also follow the exit ramp naming. The lowercase to should be at the start of the name.
The Theory:
As a standard for all highway/freeway entrance and exit ramps except for numbered exits, the name starts with a lowercase “to”. This “to” is ignored by the TTS but is displayed in the client instructions list. It serves to inform Wazers that they are going to be making a maneuver which will put them onto a different road. It also ensures that for ramps whose only name would be identical to the road they connect to, (a ramp which would only say “I-95” for example) that they now have a different name from the main road (“to I-95”), so they are not included in select all operations. This is useful for mass editing of those roads, to ensure those changes don’t also affect the ramps.
Wayfinders are treated differently, because by definition (in most cases), at least one side of the wayfinder is staying on the same road which lead into it, the continuation. For example if I-78 splits, and one side of the splits continues to be I-78, while the other leads to the NJ Tpke, then the side which continues to be I-78 is the same road before and after the wayfinder. It was found to be confusing to some to see “to I-78” on the screen as the next instructions, when in fact they were already on the I-78. This lead them to believe that maybe they were supposed to exit somewhere, and then get back onto the I-78. For this reason, ramps, or wayfinders, leading to the same road they came from do not start with the word “to”. The other side of the wayfinder leading to the NJ Tpke would be names “to NJ Tpke”.
There are some exceptions for wayfinder naming listed here, which apply when either the word “to” is on the BGS, or when the roads/destinations mentioned on the BGS are not reached by the road the wayfinder leads to. For example, if the BGS at that split in the I-78 pointing towards the side of the split which continues on the I-78 were to say only “Garden State Pkwy”, but you actually must continue on the I-78 for a distance before reaching the actual exit to the GSP, you would then name the wayfinder segment “I-78 / to Garden State Pkwy”, because the road this is leading you to, is not the road on the BGS. However if it said on the BGS “Garden State Pkwy / Newark / Deleware”, and both of those destination cities were reachable from either the I-78 or the GSP you would move the “to” to the end of the ramp name, followed by whichever roads and destinations were served only by that second exit “I-78 / Newark / DE / to Garden State Pkwy”. If only Newark was reachable from the I-78, but to get to DE you had to use the GSP the name would be “I-78 / Newark / to Garden State Pkwy / DE”.
In you example above you are not coming from the MA-30, so it is OK to start the name with “to”, and you can take the MA-30 to get those destination cities, so they don’t need a separate “to” before them.
I hope this clears up the confusion here, though it was a bit long winded. If I left you more confused than you started please feel free to ask me to explain myself better.
Happy Wazing.
Thanks! The details are what make us better editors! Complex, but seems to all make good sense (after reading a few times).
As clarification for the exceptions the wayfinder naming you mentioned - it seems that the “to” in the middle of a list of destinations is effectively to destinations which are served by a second exit from the one you’re about to take. Is that right?
I wonder if some of our explanation could be added to the wiki (I know it is already in a sense!). It’s a wealth of information and explanation and would hate to have it “lost” in an unlock post!
the second “to” in a nmae is for destinations reached after taking this exit and then travelling for another while, be it to another exit or not.
I will see if we can make the wiki more explanatory while still not too long winded.
Thanks to the both of you for straightening this all out!
I hate to be a PITA, but I just noticed this the other day on my drive into work. The sign for this ramp actually doesn’t say “Boston” anymore. It should just say “to MA-30 E / Newton”.
Thanks again!
Hey Goober, Really??? 
This has been changed as well!