As you know, we currently map level crossing red light cameras.
A fairly new type of camera which has not yet been defined by waze is now in use on many crossings in the country.
Manually Controlled Barriers with Obstacle Detection (MCB-OD) crossings have ANPR cameras included on the rear side of the wigwags which are for the sole purpose of red light enforcement.
See the image below - the wigwag on the opposite side of the road also has a camera for the opposite direction.
Thus, I propose that these now be mapped in the same way as traditional RLCs. I have mapped the ones in my area already.
I forgot that I’d started that thread. It does seem that most people agreed that they should be mapped as RLCs.
As the end result of passing a red light at these crossings is the same no matter what the type of enforcement device, there is no reason they should not be mapped.
I must have missed the end of that earlier discussion thread, otherwise I’m pretty sure I’d have chipped in at the time… Particularly since your comment re: “The cameras that we map are all required to be clearly visible to road users, with bright yellow boxes and camera warning signs” would suggest that many of the gantry-mounted motorway cameras we were quite happy to have mapped out back then didn’t meet all of these criteria, and even with the gradual upgrading of the motorway cameras to HADECS3 where the cameras are at least visible to the side of the gantry rather than being hidden behind the matrix signs, many of these still can’t realistically be described as “clearly visible” given a) their relatively small size and b) their lack of any hi-viz markings.
TBH, even the handful of ones I have seen where the camera boxes do now have hi-viz enclosures as opposed to the usual Highways Agency Grey still aren’t that easy to spot unless you’re paying as much attention to the side of the road as you are to the road in front of you - unlike a big bright yellow Gatso/Truvelo, or the slightly smaller (but still more within your eyeline) SPECS/Redspeed boxes, these ones are still pretty darned stealthy.
So I’d argue that, provided a camera is there to enforce either speed or red light offences, then for the sake of consistency we ought to map them regardless of whether or not the camera is clearly visible (let alone visible at all) to the driver approaching its location.
