Level5→L3 Unlock: Ontario - Toronto (Pearson Cleanup)

Current situation:

  • we have new StreetView images from September! Signage has changed within the last year or so–they use to have yellow/white background for the Terminals, now they are just blue boxes; some other signs of other text added/changed

  • I’ve driven through a couple times, it’s little weird hearing “to 1 / 3”. I think it sounds better to say “Terminal 1 / 3” or “Terminal 1 / Terminal 3”-- we also call our highways “Hwy 401” not “401”

  • naming all the ramps “Pearson Airport” is very confusing–especially when leaving the airport! If it’s signed, I’d like to change to what the sign says, or leave then un-named.

  • there is also now a demolished bridge

Let me know if I can get started.

Hey Nagamasa.
I agree with the renaming of all the “Pearson Airport” segment that they should be unnamed.

As for adding the word “Terminal”, it is not showing on the road sign so I think we better leave them out.

Please send a list of unlock for the roads you want to change to unnamed and I will unlock them for you.

HM.

My argument is that the box surrounding 1 and 3 is like the crown on 401.

“to 1 Arrivals / Car Rental Return”

no-longer existent road: https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61376&lat=43.68476&layers=2981&zoom=7&segments=73545984

“to P / Arrivals” or “to Parking / Arrivals”

“to Rentals / Ground”


Discovered a new sign here–this is where adding “terminal” is definitely useful:
“to [Terminal] 3 / Dixon Rd”

“to [Terminal] 1”


unname:


adjust node
“to [Terminal] 3”, “to [Terminal] 1 Arrivals / [Terminal] 1 Departures”

same-ish thing here as above:
“to Arrivals / Car Rental Return / Ground” "to Departures

“to Arrivals” “to Car Rental Return / Ground”


“to Hwy 409 / Hwy 401 E / 1 / 3 / Hwy 427 N / Cell Phone Lot”
, “to Hwy 427 S / Hwy 401 W / Airport Rd”


“to 1 / 3 / Airport Rd / Cell Phone Lot”
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61157&lat=43.69216&layers=2981&zoom=7&segments=62418775

mark unnamed
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61178&lat=43.69108&layers=2981&zoom=7&segments=60320858

to be continued…

Thanks Nagamasa.

I still disagree. The Word Terminal only add confusion, as it is not on the sign. Hwy is more known for the crown sign on Provincial roads, so it is not the same.

I removed all the “Pearson Airport” names I could find. There was one segment I couldn’t, but I will see what the issue there.
If you find any other “Pearson Airport” segments let me know.

I applied all the changes you have suggested with the exception of some “Cellphone Lot” green signs that were too small and I suggest we ignore them as they are not the main sign on the exits.

If you have other updates to suggest for the area please keep posting here.

Cheers,
HM.

“to Terminal 3”–this one is explicitly signed on both sides of Airport Rd
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61529&lat=43.68745&layers=2981&zoom=7&segments=70978694

“to Car Rental Return / Arrivals”
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61380&lat=43.68692&layers=2981&zoom=6&segments=62418916

unname
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61401&lat=43.68620&layers=2981&zoom=6&segments=500497139
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.59977&lat=43.68447&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=60176054
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60301&lat=43.68569&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=73324852

to 3
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61655&lat=43.68581&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=59986744

split segment into 2–this is BC of the PLR segment, and we dont want ramp name from further down the road to be propagated back.
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61813&lat=43.68565&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=84415206

“to Hwy 427 S / Hwy 401 W”
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60612&lat=43.68484&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=63905072

“to 1 / 3 / Airport Rd”
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60612&lat=43.68484&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=74593885

change to ramp
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60547&lat=43.68435&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=74593919,74593920

“to Airport” (sign is KO-ed behind the Construction sign in 2015-09 SV) and fix node position
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60250&lat=43.68567&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=60191529

remove
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.59963&lat=43.68434&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=60084245

to 3 / 1
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60414&lat=43.68571&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=60357531

to Hwy 409 / Hwy 401 / Hwy 427 / Parking / Value
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60414&lat=43.68571&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=73324854

fix node position
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61219&lat=43.69020&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=60226507,60042014,60382853
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61260&lat=43.68827&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=69537246,60336638
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61256&lat=43.68683&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=60409507,60336638,60109476

“to Hwy 409 / Hwy 427 / Hwy 401 / 1 / 3”
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61177&lat=43.68539&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=60109476

restrict to Taxis only
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61350&lat=43.68615&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=73546014

Taxis & Coaches
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61717&lat=43.68727&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=69676709,69676710

to Departures / Sheraton / Valet Care
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61896&lat=43.68749&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=84009993

split road and add “to Hotel Deliveries” to the first segment, leave the rest unnamed
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61891&lat=43.68688&layers=2981&zoom=7&segments=63905934

“to 1 / Rentals / Ground”
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61520&lat=43.68659&layers=2981&zoom=7&segments=60150757

“to 1 / Arrivals”
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61520&lat=43.68659&layers=2981&zoom=7&segments=60138403

to Parking
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60994&lat=43.68329&layers=2981&zoom=7&segments=60271651

to Hwy 427 S / Hwy 401 W / Airport Rd
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61014&lat=43.68230&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=63906101

disconnect from t1 arrivals
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61012&lat=43.68282&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=82774648

We’re actually missing T1 ground floor, which is just a quiet, but legally accessible floor. I will map that later.


missing parking ramp
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61029&lat=43.68373&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=64132530


to 3
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61010&lat=43.68521&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=73545988


to 1 / Hwy 409 E / Hwy 401 E / Hwy 427 N"
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60988&lat=43.68534&layers=2981&zoom=8&segments=60385279

I have addressed all the requests to my understanding.

One point I couldn’t understand was:

I agree that the Ground level needs to be added. It is tricky but possibly just a straight line going around T1.
When you add it I disconnected this segment that exits from the Ground level.

I made a new connector around this node, based purely on Streetview images, so I don’t mind if you check and see if I missed something or did something wrong.

HM.

Because the “left” ramp is unnamed, I am concerned that the name of the subsequent instruction (which is a couple more nodes away), may be used, which may confuse drivers.

The “left” ramp looks more like the best continuation route in my opinion, and it avoids “keep left to Hwy 409 / Hwy 427 /…” that TTS might generate at that spot.

https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Navigation_instructions_for_unnamed_segments/Conditions

Nagamasa - I’m not debating if this is what need to be done or not, because I don’t understand what you are asking me to do.
Try again by giving step by step instructions where to split the segment and what to connect to it.

HM.

https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61790&lat=43.68564&layers=389&zoom=8&segments=500547556,500547557,500547558,500547554

I have red-road drawn it parallel to the existing road. Notice the difference in turn instructions at the fork.

Nagamasa,

I’m not yet clear on your instructions.

Your instructions for unlocks and updates should be more detailed like the following:

Example 1 - Split [this segment] and connect it to [this segment]

Example 2 - Rename [this segment] to “XYZ”

Example 3 - Move [this node] further east towards the fork, as showing in Google Streetview

Please provide the instructions so we can close this chapter.

HM.

Take this:
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61790&lat=43.68564&layers=389&zoom=8&segments=84415206
and split it, with short stub segment on the left, like these 2:
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61790&lat=43.68564&layers=389&zoom=8&segments=500547558,500547554

Set that new short stub you just created to PLR, like this one:
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61790&lat=43.68564&layers=389&zoom=8&segments=500547558

I don’t understand what you are trying to connect there.
I have reduced the relevant segment to L3.
Please complete the edit and reply back so I can lock back to L5.

HM.

Can be relocked.

Unlock to 3, so I can add ground level:
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61048&lat=43.68294&layers=389&zoom=7&segments=63906049

Reduced to L3.
Please make sure to apply tunnel attribute to all ground level segments, as GPS reception there will be limited.

HM.

Indeed–no reception at all down there.

Unlock to connect to ground
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60971&lat=43.68282&layers=389&zoom=7&segments=82774648,60160286

Unlocked.

Node position incorrect (by a lot)
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.60995&lat=43.68280&layers=389&zoom=8&segments=64132529,500528214,64132530,500528213,500528212

I have unlocked.
Please move them where they should be and let me know when done so I can lock back.
Also let me know about the other unlocks in this thread.

HM.

Remove this node: https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61006&lat=43.68274&layers=389&zoom=8&nodes=500294443
and even out the curvature.

all other edits in the area should be complete, please double check for accuracy:
relock to 5:
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61228&lat=43.68350&layers=389&zoom=6&segments=500618508,500618513,500618514,500637952
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-79.61228&lat=43.68350&layers=389&zoom=6&segments=60160286,64132530,500528212,500528213,500528214,500619028,500619029,500637953