published 2/12/18, at least for what is in WME Production today… 
i would like to propose some changes to Switch route selection to make it more clear that editors need to select the path that should be allowed, rather than disable a path that shouldn’t be allowed. there have been a few discord discussions lately where there have been some misunderstandings on this.
my proposed changes are here
and this is the current version differences
if these changes are accepted i will update all the images in this section but i didn’t want to go through that if the changes aren’t accepted
thanks for your consideration and input.
This looks good, but I think you need another comma in the first sentence here, maybe after “allow”?
thanks, comma added.
The wiki already states that you should verify all paths after adding. Should there be a statement during the verification all routes that are to provide routing need a green path from the entrance to the exiting arrow. All routes that are not allowed need to have the red path and arrow?
the problem is editors are mistakenly adding red paths for routes that aren’t allowed when they should be adding green paths for routes that are allowed. maybe you could clarify your questions because i’m not sure what you are getting at because this question “All routes that are not allowed need to have the red path and arrow?” is not correct.
For the final configuration, if there is not an allowed path from the entrance segment to the exit segment then there needs to be a red turn restriction arrow and red route/path. Also for the final configuration, if there is an allowed path then there needs to be a green (or yellow) turn restriction arrow and a green route/path.
hey subs, there are new forum badges available here. just in case you want to have some normal sized badges 
so would you like another bullet point for "For the final configuration, if there is not an allowed path from the entrance segment to the exit segment then there needs to be a red turn restriction arrow and red route/path. "?
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- Select the entry segment of the junction box that you want to compare routes on.
- Hover over the appropriate exit turn arrow that you want to select the desired route.
- The switch route selection will appear between the restrictions and difficult turn options in the gray turn information box.
- Click the forward or back arrow to cycle thru the allowable routes.
- For a route that you wish to allow, always select the green route from the entry segment to the exit turn arrow. In other words do not select a route that should be disabled, select the route that should be allowed.
- A red arrow on the exit turn arrow means that any route from the selected entry segment to the selected exit turn arrow will be disabled
- For the final configuration, if there is not an allowed path from the entrance segment to the exit segment then there needs to be a red turn restriction arrow and red route/path.
i think "Also for the final configuration, if there is an allowed path then there needs to be a green (or yellow) turn restriction arrow and a green route/path. " is pretty much them same as what is said twice here “For a route that you wish to allow, always select the green route from the entry segment to the exit turn arrow. In other words do not select a route that should be disabled, select the route that should be allowed.” not sure we need it a third time
am i the only one having a heck of a time with the new forum and it’s formatting i put some hard returns in the text in the previous post and they don’t come through when i post. also the bullet formatting looks totally different on preview post than it dost in the actual post
Yes, I think the final review section is fine.
Basically people need to check everything after the final save. Too easy to have misclicked something or Waze doing a weird autosuggested route/save for paths.
So the green paths need to be validated/checked at the end and if no allowed path then it needs a red path/arrow.
Yep too lazy to go and fix the badges. Somehow the old saying of if it ain’t broken don’t fix it isn’t followed by Waze.
i agree that all paths should be checked. i take that a step further and do a refresh after saving a JB because every now and then, i guesstimate about 5% of the time, waze will change the paths during a save. then i recheck the paths. personally i think something alerting editors to this in the wiki would be a good thing.
i’m not sure if the switch routes section is the best place for that. maybe add another bullet point along the lines of-
- It is recommended to save the final configuration of the junction box, then either soft or hard refresh the map. After these steps recheck every route from every possible entry segments to each exit segment. This is recommended because occasionally during the save process WME will set an incorrect route and rechecking each route through through the junction box will catch these errors.
thoughts?
I think a reference at the end of the switch routes section to go to the final check section would suffice. Have your wording above in a final check section is fine. The main thing is you to do the final check after all saves are completed or you get some funky routing that isn’t desired.
what final check section? can you shoot me a link? i’m not seeing that in the wiki. thanks.
I mean add the paragraph above as a final check section. (this would be new to the wiki)
ok, i added Final Checks in the Editing section
new Difference between pages “Junction box” and “User:Ojlaw/Junction box”
Looks good, Do you think we need to mention that if you have a JB Voice Instruction (formerly TIO)) then it will give the instruction at the first junction node and show that LG?
Just had some URs where it said make a u-turn from the 4 left lanes. The uturn was from the TR on the JB and the 4 left lanes was the LG at the first junction not where the uturn was to occur.
for sure that section need some work. that was a little out of the scope of what i’m willing to tackle.
also this statement “Therefore if a turn instruction override is added to the junction box’s turn restriction at an exit point, then all internal directions are removed and the turn instruction override command is announced at the first junction node” isn’t entirely accurate. if there is a TIO on a node inside the JB the TIO will override the turn instruction on the JB path…
also info on JB shields needs to be added…
also when the roundabout wiki is completed a link to the RAJB section will need to be added…
also this page might benefit from a thorough reworking and hard look at everything like the RA wiki is doing now…
I made a few changes in connection with the work I did on the roundabout page and also a little bit of modernization and reformatting:
Under When to use I added
- To correct routing issues or improper turn instructions in roundabouts
Under Function I added
- Turn instructions can be separately controlled for each path through the junction box.
In the list of limitations under When to use I removed
- Turn restrictions that are not in the junction box for segments that extend outside the junction box’s boundaries
- Edits that change a segment’s identification number
- Adding or deleting a junction node on a segment that extends outside the junction box (ex. You have to delete the junction box to add a parking lot road to a segment that is included in a junction box)
I added a note at the very end to say “Note that for many years it had been impossible to cut or merge a segment, even if only an end of it was part of a junction box; the junction box had to be deleted first. This is no longer true.” along with this bullet point
- Adding, deleting, connecting or disconnecting a segment inside a junction box
And I replaced “Segments connected to junction boxes have some attributes that cannot be edited” with “Certain things cannot be done to segments that are part of a junction box”, because it’s not about attributes so much anymore.
Other changes:
- I replaced every mention of “TIO” and “turn instruction override” with voice prompt.
- I made consistent capitalization of “U-turn” and removed some of the all caps and inconsistent caps as not consistent with our manual of style.
- I did some minor wordsmithing and spelling correction (“nw bound” to “northwest-bound” and “driveable” to “drivable”)
But yeah, there is a lot more to do on this page, including revising stuff about U-turns and adding more info about shields and lanes. I do not have time to make a full revision of that.
thanks karto. i think this “then all internal Waze selected directions are removed and the turn instruction override command is announced at the first junction node” should be changed to this “then all internal Waze selected directions are removed and the voice prompt is announced at the first junction node” for consistency.
Yes, I missed that one. It is replaced now. Thanks OJ