Pennsylvania Wiki Page Discussion

[jondrush]

https://www.waze.com/wiki/Pennsylvania
The Pennsylvania Wiki page is up and running. Area Managers please fill in the form at the bottom, and add you thoughts.

We are not looking for duplication of the USA standards, just link to the USA pages as appropriate.

[jondrush]

MGODLEW, I changed Primary Roads back to Primary Streets to match what they are called in the editor.

[jondrush]

If Splitting Roads section is just a regurgitation of the national standard. I’d rather see that whole section replaced with a link.

[AndyPoms]

@jondrush

If Splitting Roads section is just a regurgitation of the national standard. I’d rather see that whole section replaced with a link.

Talk to Kent about embedding the national standard into the page (that way we only have to edit ONE page) and the info will change on ALL the pages…

[jondrush]

I’m also trying to keep the page from getting huge. It’s a cool Idea, but I’d rather have a one-line link.

[MGODLEW]

I would like to propose that if someone is an Area Manager in Pennsylvania, they should be required to have in their signature a link to the Wiki also to include their Area Managed & Level. Thoughts?

[MGODLEW]

I created the AM Wiki area the best I could & was able to track down most of the AM’s in PA but I’m sorry if I missed anyone. If anyone is unsure how to edit the Wiki you can simply PM me and I will add your Area Managed, any additional comments you might have, and confirm your Edit Level.

@jondrush

MGODLEW, I changed Primary Roads back to Primary Streets to match what they are called in the editor.

Not a problem, I didn’t even realize the differential. Good Catch!

@jondrush

If Splitting Roads section is just a regurgitation of the national standard. I’d rather see that whole section replaced with a link.

That’s fine, I agree. I have since “trimmed the fat” from the Wiki & just provided pointers to the national standard page.

[dbraughlr]

I find the wording to be imprecise as far as setting standards. What exactly is a local name? I think that the US-xxx designation should be in the primary name, e.g., Main St / US-999.

Wording like “State Rte xxx format should only be used when naming exits.” is difficult to parse.
What you mean is that “SR-xxx format should be used to name exits. State Rte xxx format should be used everywhere else.” Some explanation as to why each of “State Rte”, “PA-” and “SR-” is used would be helpful, particularly for those who do not see the justification for such complicated but ambiguous rules.

[dbraughlr]

I would like to see a note of explanation about how to handle New York streets such as these.

I have deleted hundreds of them. I do not know why they were created or why they haven’t been deleted en masse. There should be a policy for them.

[MGODLEW]

@dbraughlr

I find the wording to be imprecise as far as setting standards. What exactly is a local name? I think that the US-xxx designation should be in the primary name, e.g., Main St / US-999.

Generally, you should follow what the street signs say. If it says Main st then label it main st, if it says US-999 then label it us-999.

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[MGODLEW]

@dbraughlr

I would like to see a note of explanation about how to handle New York streets such as these.

I have deleted hundreds of them. I do not know why they were created or why they haven’t been deleted en masse. The should be a policy for them.

I have discussed these with Jon before, I believe they are from when the base map was imported into waze. Unfortunately there is no simple/magic fix for the problem.

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[dbraughlr]

@MGODLEW

Generally, you should follow what the street signs say.

As a general rule, there are signs with both the route number and the name. The route number is usually much larger and provided by PennDOT and thus more likely to be replaced when damaged, stolen, or otherwise missing.

[dbraughlr]

@MGODLEW

I have discussed these with Jon before

Then please do document your conversation in the wiki.

The “magic” fix is to run a program to delete them from the database. It can’t be that hard to identify them all.

[dbraughlr]

Has the text-to-speech “Penn” -> “Pennsylvania” been deleted?
It also caused problems for “Penn State”, “West Penn”, and other places which are not “William Penn”.

[MGODLEW]

I saw you made recent changes to the Wiki? Did you add things or delete things. I’m not sure we should be deleting anything with out JONDRUSH’s approval. I’m guessing thats the point of this forum, to discuss what needs to be added or deleted. If so, you might want to go back undelete whatever was deleted until it is agreed upon in the forum.

[MGODLEW]

Also, in regards to naming. Take a look at this in google street view. Permalink Coming from Highland Park Blvd going onto Coal St, It is intersected by SR-309. However if you look at the sign on the red light it says Wilkes-Barre Twp Blvd. So essentially if there is a sign, use the name for naming purposes.

[dbraughlr]

Other editors use “Main St (US-999)”. I like this.

Sometimes roads have two primary names.

I-20 in Mississippi is labeled I-59. That’s wrong. It should be labeled “I-20 W / I-59 S”. It is fine to add I-59 as an alternate name. But the client app shows only the primary name. Any driver following I-20 should be able to see that he remains on I-20, not that he exits onto I-59 with no mention of I-20 until it splits from I-59.

[MGODLEW]

@dbraughlr

I-20 in Mississippi is labeled I-59. That’s wrong. It should be labeled “I-20 W / I-59 S”. It is fine to add I-59 as an alternate name. But the client app shows only the primary name. Any driver following I-20 should be able to see that he remains on I-20, not that he exits onto I-59 with no mention of I-20 until it splits from I-59.

I don’t believe you are correct. I-59 is the Primary name for that Hwy. The reason there is an alternate name field is for things like this. Considering a Regional Coordinator just edited this not long ago, the lack of naming it I-20 W / I-59 S means this format is not correct.

[MGODLEW]

@MGODLEW

Hi Jon,
So I’ve been encountering A LOT of roads like this: Permalink I know this is caused from the base map import but the state is listed as NY however it is no where near NY. Can something be done to address this? PA is a fairly rectangular state, is it possible to provide gps coordinates to all 4 corners of the state and they can automatically change the state to PA for everything within those coordinates?

@jondrush

We’ve asked, and it is apparently tougher than you think for Waze to fix roads mixed in like this

I actually kinda like finding these, because 90% of the basemap roads that have NY state are garbage. I fire up the WME Add-ons script and go to town removing these crappers from the map using the Segment List. I use these settings:

• state * city * street * roadtypeStr * nbways * InScreen
  If the state is wrong, nbways is 0, the name is empty, and the type is private or street, it is most likely garbage.

[jasonh300]

@dbraughlr

Other editors use “Main St (US-999)”. I like this.

Sometimes roads have two primary names.

I-20 in Mississippi is labeled I-59. That’s wrong. It should be labeled “I-20 W / I-59 S”. It is fine to add I-59 as an alternate name. But the client app shows only the primary name. Any driver following I-20 should be able to see that he remains on I-20, not that he exits onto I-59 with no mention of I-20 until it splits from I-59.

I-59 is the primary signage along that stretch of I-20 / I-59. Also, the mile markers are for I-59.