This is probably best for an Australia forum, but a problem I’ve noted in recent months in NSW is new editors adding every single lane in car parking lots (clearly against best practice Wiki (https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Best_map_editing_practice#Parking_Lots)), but also adding speed limits to these parking lot roads.
I am pointing out the issue with adding all the parking lot roads to them, but do we have a directive on speed limits? It seems to be that a nominal 10-20km/h speed is placed on these roads by the editors. Perhaps these are suggested by the car park owners, sometimes not.
My recommendation is to remove these speed limits altogether, as they are not legally binding. Having a 10km/h speed limit in a car park merely annoys drivers because of the constant noise from Waze warning of being over the speed limit, when the problem is usually poor GPS lock & inability for the GPS to monitor speed accurately at low velocity.
Anyone game to come up with a consensus statement?
Sounds reasonable if they are adding them but are you sure there isnt some default being applied by Waze HQ? I thought I recently noticed on a private road segment a limit of 30?
Do you mean Waze HQ sweeping, for example, once per week & adding speed limits to any segments where none is present? Or do you mean adding speed limits automatically at the time of segment creation?
You could be totally right! I have certainly seen funny edits in areas that I know are recent but the last edited date was years ago.
However, for example, in this segment, the history of edits shows when & who changed the speed limit. You can also see the same editor added many parking lot roads in the area at the same time.
I appreciate the feedback that’s come across regarding this and will be taking steps to rectify the edits made in relation to the parking lots. B Carp has been kind enough to send me some information which I’ll be reading over.
In regards to speeds, a lot of the parking areas that have a high pedestrian traffic flow have sign posted Shared Zone speed limits, which most of the time is 10kph.
This area in particular (I know because I shop here frequently) has these signs. So I assumed if it is a legal sign posted speed limit that can also be enforced by police, why not have it appear in app to act as a reminder to users?
NSW Legislation states that it can be enforced by police. “an area that is not a road and that is open to or used by the public for driving, riding or parking vehicles”.
Police can enforce speeds in all road and road related areas. Understand that it’s private property, but the ‘open to and used by the public’ term is where Police can exercise their powers under the relevant legislation.
Nice find! Well done! What about keeping the speed limits in Waze if there’s a posted limit & leaving the speed limits as “blank” if no signs are posted?
Here in Qld, all road rules still apply in car parks. So posted speed limits still apply. And there are quite a lot of car parks that have posted speed limit signs.
When adding car park roads, I do not set speed limits as usually finding the correct speed limit is rather difficult and not worth the effort. I take the approach, leave it up to the driver.
I think this approach makes sense. Waze isn’t really for navigating around car parks, so adding speed limits to car park segments might score someone edit points, but doesn’t really improve the map or the navigating experience.
I’m not fussed personally. I think there are pros & cons of both approaches. Just looking for a consensus if we can find one so we don’t end up all fighting to do opposite things & undoing each others’ changes.
I would say if you can see a sign then put it in but I wont be fussed if someone puts in a carpark and doesnt take the time to try and find a limit sign.
The comments are consistent, if you take them in context.
If it is on a normal road (street, primary street, major/minor highway) then I’d apply the default speed limit for that state (where there are no signs to the contrary). In NSW, that speed limit is 50 km/h in built-up areas, 100 km/h elsewhere (source and definitions). Presumably other states have identical or similar rules. The rule is well-defined and legally enforcable, so applying it in the absence of signage is not arbitrary.
If it is a private road, parking road/car park or similar, then I’d omit the speed limit. There isn’t a defined (let alone legally-enforceable) standard for car parks, so in the absence of signage, making up our own limit would be arbitrary.
