I find the Waze instructions not matching the signage on the freeways to be a bit confusing. Also, this is opposite the rest of the US. What’s the reason for this?
Example: “W H1 Fwy” instead of “H1 W Fwy” or “H1 West Fwy”? Both of those two would actually match the signage.
I’m not sure of the reason for the syntax of the road names. Could it have been part of the original import, for some reason?
The signage would suggest that it be “H201 W” instead of “W H201”:
There are other irregularities about signage not quite matching how it’s labeled in WME. Sometimes it’s because the common names of the state highways don’t generally match the alphanumeric names, and that’s compounded by lack of consistency in how the state Department of Transportation handled signage. Example: Likelike Hwy is labeled as such at entry points northbound from the H-1, but the sign at the southbound end on the Windward side refers to it by highway number, which NOBODY uses.
Anyway, the basic freeway naming practice is a mystery to me. I’ll message other editors in case they have any background info, and alert them to this thread.
I see no reason why the freeway segments and ramps shouldn’t all be edited to reflect what’s in the best-practices guide.
FYI, for others, my post was based on actual driving experience, not just perusing the map. 
Unless there is a really good, rational reason for the Waze names to not match the signage, I also vote for updating various major roads like H1, H2, H201, H3. Really would like to input from other local editors like @McCracken808 and @Nacron.
I would exercise caution when changing the names on those Interstates, if I recall correctly there was an issue getting the shields working correctly there…
OK, thanks. I’ve been waiting for a reply from Nacron, who was with Waze for longer than I have been. Maybe he remembers that.
Just remessaged him and McCracken808.
Sorry, very busy in the entertainment industry during holidays.
I recall reading a post from Nacron regarding those. He had to work for a while to get those shields. Perhaps all is fixed and we can go to standard naming nomenclature. Until we hear from Waze and Nacron we should hold off on renaming though. imho
Thanks, Doug! Will hold off.
Also: Nacron has been having problems getting alerts relayed from Waze forum/PMs to Tapatalk. He replied to a PM using Tapatalk directly, so he’ll check in here soon.
(Busy times for lotsa folks! Happy holidays! :shock: )
Hey, finally found this. The freeway segments were named as such before I started editing so I just continued the trend. I think it had to do with nobody ever referring to the freeways as interstates. Also the fact that its common name contains the word freeways (Queen Liliuokalani Freeway and not Queen Liliuokalanai Interstate). I-H1 W sounds funny to me. Personally I feel it sounds better as [direction] H[#] Fwy rather than H[#] [direction].
Ps. New tapatalk sucks, it works ok for most forums but for some reason it has trouble with the Waze forum
In my experience, “W xxx St” is a very different thing from “xxx St W” – the former refers to a location in quadranted / divided locales, the latter refers to a direction.
So while W xxx St may become E xxx St if you travel far east enough along it to find the dividing line, xxx St W will remain that, because it is the direction you are travelling.
This should be the same standard for highways.
In the Hawaii examples given, I think it’s important to recognise the name as well as the shielded number when the signage has both. That said, my experience in Hawaii is that only the primary “interstates” (aka H-x denoted) are shielded to any great extent. Everything else is just named.
Following the standard that is used elsewhere, the above photograph would have these named exits:
Exit 198: H-201 W / Fort Shafter / Aiea
(and if wayfinding segment is appropriate for the “right lane only”):
to H-1 W / Airport / Hickam AFB / Pearl Harbor
On Maui, you’ll find highways that are (technically) numbered, but nobody ever uses them. To the point where some tourist will ask “how do I get to Hwy 30?” and nearly every local will give a blank look and say “where?” – the helpful ones will ask “where are you trying to get to?” and then understand that it was Piilani, the Mokulele, the Honoapiilani or one of the other highways… but most signage will also refer to it by name, not number.
Good point doc, I know that on other islands, they do east and west streets but it’s never used on oahu. Sometimes, east and west streets are just two dead end streets at the intersection.
So are we decided on changing or leaving?
I would vote for conforming to national standards.
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Me, too. I just hesitated at first out of concern there was a problem making the shields work, for some reason.
It’s all done. We’ll have to wait and see if the shields get messed up. If that happens, I’m sure admin can manually add it again.
It’s been about a week now right? What is the verdict on the shields? (Logically, I think they would remain just fine.)
EDIT: Hmmm. Things may not be good after all. In the editor, I can see shields for interstates in Oregon, but not for the H-### interstates around Honolulu.
And I think I know why: the primary street name “H-1 E” is different then “E H-1.” “E H-1” is a street in the database (not a segment) which has shield data associated with it, whereas “H-1 E” does not.
Of course, I don’t know this for sure as I didn’t check the shields’ data before the changes were made. Setting them back on couple test segments did not make the expected shield to display…
Well, as of yesterday, shields are still there except for H1. H1 has not had a shield for quite a while.
I reported it here.
Shield data was set manually by admin a looooong time ago so it may override any automatic shielding. We just need to do that for the H1
There was only one segment I couldn’t fix because it had a level 6 lock. I filled out the unlock form but haven’t had a response
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Level 6 can now be dealt with by some of the CMs. It’s only “staff” rank that needs the form.
Post a message in the US Update & Unlock Request forum, and they can deal with it for you.
Anyone know how we approach admin to reset the data on the H-1?