Hi All,
My name is Orit, Project Manager-Localiztion at Waze.
I received a request to replace the fuel type 98 octane with CNG, saying it’s more popular among Swedish drivers. Do you agree? Should we replace it? I would appreciate your feedback in this matter.
Thanks for your help,
Orit
I would suggest that information about the availability of CNG is probably more value add than 98.
Natural gas cars in total, including Bio-gas is still in the single digit percent, and I have no clue on the number of 98-octanes but regardless of which one is more common among drivers, most gas stations still carries the 98 stuff on at least one pump, but not all of them have CNG. Thus information about CNG availability is more valuable to the few drivers who actually need it.
I agree with SWM, many gas stations still have 98-octane. But more and more also have CNG, so it should be added too.
Hi
Just wanted to clarify, in order to add CNG we will have to delete one of the existing fuel types (most likely 98 octane) since we can support a total of 4 fuel types.
Orit
I also think replacing 98 octane with CNG adds more value to the Waze users. 98 octane is sold at most gas stations. CNG can only be found at approx 5 % of the gas stations.
/Sverker
Hi!
I am a CNG driver my self and as it is today with few (138) CNG stations the most important thing is to find it, not to find the cheapest. That is already solved today because we have added a second gas station landmark named CNG for those gas stations that have CNG. Maybe not the proper way to do it but it works.
If you should replace any type of fuel I agree that 98 should be the one but what is the effort by adding a fifth fuel type?
CNG should be a part of the gas system.
However removing 98 isn’t a good solution.
If we look into the future 95 will be replaced by 95 E10. But locking at other countries where this have been done sales of 98 (98 E5) has increased (eg from 7% to 27% in Finland). So if its removed now it probarbly needs to be re added later.
The change from 95 and 98 is scheduled to 2014 in Sweden.
If its down to choose four, what should we aim at? most usability or most users?
If its usability CNG should be in the list, and if its users then 98.
Is there any plans on adding more than 4 types of fuel?
As i see it there should be five types 95, 98, E85, Diesel and CNG.
I also want to see Electrical loading places.
(source http://www.mhrf.se/e10 )
At unmanned pump stations (where the price is lower), 98 octane (or 99/“super fuels” in some cases) are getting rare and finding it is even more important than the actual price. More or less all tuned cars and bikes require 98 octane to run smoothly. As Dennis says, when they start ruin 95 with more added alcohol, more engines will have to switch to 98 to avoid damage…
I wouldn’t sacrifice 98 for CNG in the client.
I wote for CNG. How many % of Waze target group runs highly tuned cars? Better to aim at what company cars mostly use today. Also good credit to waze for trying to help with something less pollutive.
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I think there will be more than four alternatives in the future. Why not make it possible to have 8 different types of fuel in Waze.
Also, why not increase the points you earn when updating the prices. Way to few update to make the function reliable.
I agree, I drive a Corvette (summertime) and believe me: The prize of 98-octance is not important, and I would happily loose it to the benefit for CNG. Besides, 99 times out of 100, the 98 octane price is not updated, probably because it’s not being advertised on the poles outside the gaststation like 95, diesel and E85 is… you have to literally park next to the pump to see the price…
Just my 2 cents…
I think tracking a price for CNG will be complicated. The standard for CNG states that it should be 97% methane, but doesn’t specify what the other 3% are (aside from max. quantities of water and other materials that cause corrosion, etc.). On the west coast of Sweden (e.g. Göteborg), the natural gas network often has small amounts of longer hydrocarbons. On the east coast, where biogas is much more prevalent, that 3% is usually CO2. The result: natural gas usually has a “gasoline equivalent” of 1.25 gal per m3, while biogas is closer to 1.1.
The (fordons)gas companies in Sweden have tried posting the “gasoline equivalent” price, but this was not accepted by the consumer protection agency.
Bottom line: as much as I’d like to see waze track CNG prices, I think it would be very difficult to implement well.
No need to keep them appart. Would you really drive around a few miles to get naturegas to get those extra miles? Or would you go for the alternative that is even better for mother earth?
I assume most drives dont care as long as they can fill up the gastubes.
Also in most cases biogas is cheaper then CNG to compensate the lower energy content.
Eon has one good for finding the stations and see what kind of gas the station offers but a general CNG station type is still better then not to offer the fule type in Waze?
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