Only change them to public if the on road parking is permit free. If a permit is required to park (even if part time), set as restricted or now.
We’ve advised Waze of these type of part-time permits, but they didn’t seem interested in adding time based restrictions.
I was under the impression on street chargers were to be set as Public unless the permit requirement for parking was 24/7. We have to err on showing them available and let users determine if appropriate based on signage, the same as supermarket ‘customer only’ car parks.
I stand corrected. Yes, it’s only full time permit parking that should be set to restricted.
Any chance the Wiki can be updated to reflect that restricted permit parking is also (for some reason) public? I know the wiki says ‘public’ for on-street parking, but I’ve understood that as free or Pay & Display. ‘Permit Holders’ is listed as a qualifier for restricted, so I went with that.
Annoyingly I’ve approved well over 250 PUR’s that are restricted (as per the data feed and the Wiki) due to being permit holders only from 9am to 8pm on residential streets. I did put the permit restriction time in the description of each in an attempt to advise.
Most of these on-street permit-holder-only chargers I’ve approved are also very concentrated in the area and are the only chargers within a few miles. I imagine a lot of EV users are going to be very annoyed if Waze keeps suggesting chargers that are “public”, despite the fact that they aren’t for half the day. This is especially true if they need to charge and they’re just being bounced from one street to the next repeatedly.
As we’re working with a half built tool and Waze were confused when directly asked the question regarding having access type dependant on time of day, we are doing the best we can with the tools we’ve been given. As an EV driver I’d be annoyed having to drive 5 miles away when there are 30 chargers in the streets around me that I could use for half the day. As these are fast chargers, 3-7Kw, I wouldn’t be expecting to use them for a quick 30 mins charge, instead you park there for a few hours.
As always we need to be adding as much detail as possible to the description where we can, this allows the user to see any timed restrictions and other information they might need before choosing a particular location to navigate to.
We’ve said many time already that our mapping and policy will change / develop, users can submit changes to these locations if they feel the information is wrong once they are mapped. We still have 19,000 PURs to work through.
That’s fine, I’ll whizz through and set them all to public then. I’ve already changed a good chunk of them anyway, as there are some roads where the council doesn’t enforce the permit requirement if a car is actively charging (otherwise it’s a £70 fine). It won’t take me long to sort the remaining ones.
And there was I thinking I’d seen the last of EV chargers :lol:
Oh well time to go back and set review them all again. Changing from Restricted to Public and adding the permit parking times in the description box. Hello editing points :mrgreen:
Just a thought, is it worth setting the EV points to L3 to allow AMs to manage them locally (or is this a pipeline project once we go live)?
Ian’s post stated that the L4 lock will remain in place until further advised: https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2330711#p2330711
As this is still a trial/new feature, I expect everyone is being careful to avoid accidental deletions or modifications that could break the link between the PUR and the data provider(s).
As far as I can tell, these will stay at L4. The reason it is important they stay linked to the spreadsheet and not incorrectly changed is that after going live, these can be automatically updated with the status of each charger - free, in use, broken, etc. If the link is broken, then they will just stay in the map as a point, but no other information
If we do not end up re-visiting most of these at least once more I will be very surprised. The “guidance” we were given by Waze at the start of this project was very basic and we have been updating our own information on how to deal with these as we come across new issues. I am sure, as soon as we go live, we will quickly spot a whole lot of things that need changing or correcting.
Currently I would no worry about re-visiting and tweaking those you have done, I would ask everyone to concentrate on getting more of the others onto the map to get us to the 50% point so we can actually see what appears in the app.
Coming across lots of Hubsta charge points in the PUR feed that aren’t on the GSheet. I’m adding and overlaying a comment for now.
Hi All
Firstly, my thanks go out to all the L4+ editors who have been working on this project. As time has gone on, we have all realised that the data we have been given is very poor and each EV charging point is taking much longer to identify, correct and add than was originally expected. This is also reflected in the significant drop of of new chargers being added each day, as I am sure, like me, you are all getting bored by the task and wanting to get back to other things.
Unfortunately, until we hit the magic 50% point when it can go live, we still have a lot to do. To try and help with this, Waze have today lowered the lock level from L4 to L3.
If any of you L3 editors would be willing to help out, please can you first let one of the champs know, so we can add access for you to the spreadsheet where all this is being recorded Then read the Wazeo pages about how to go about adding these correctly. It is very important to follow the guidance and to maintain the link to the spreadsheet so that when it does go live, the data updates automatically.
Thanks again for any help you can add to this important (but time consuming) project.
Waze have once again done a marvelous job of talking to their army of volunteers before making literal worldwide decisions. I am in no way against the lowering of this project, it was Waze themselves that set the level due to the hidden data link that each mapped location holds.
I hope the UK community can continue the high standard of mapping that we have always produced and pride ourselves in. Let’s not stoop to the expected blind approval of locations to satisfy Waze’s need for a feature announcement. We don’t need to become the lowest common denominator that the Staff use for their own ads team.
On the Google sheet, Column K ‘Number of CS’, seems to have some providers counting the number of charging sockets and others counting the number of charging units (which may have multiple sockets).
For instance, this EVCS is noted having ‘Number of CS’ as 2 on the sheet (Row 1518) - there are 2 sockets here on 1 unit - 2 cars can charge.
While this EVCS has ‘Number of CS’ as 2 (Row 1517) but there are actually 4 sockets on 2 units - I’ve used this one in the past so I know number of vehicles able to charge is 4.
Are we to read ‘Number of CS’ as the number of vehicles able to charge at one time and set status to ‘problem’ if this number is incorrect?
I’ve also seen payment types from the feed being incorrect. 1517 had ‘debit and membership card’ come through from the feed while I’m 90% sure you can only use the Pod Point app here. :roll: I presume you don’t want their status set to problem on the sheet? Just correct the details where you can?
As long as the number of connectors on the map place is correct then it’s ok.
I don’t think the process here is the same across the group.
Take Row 1533 for example, Sheet shows ‘No of CS’ = 3. It’s flagged as ‘Problem’ with comment reading “Should be one device”.
If you look at the Google aerials you see two EV bays and the Osprey map suggests two cars can charge (one connection has a choice of two sockets - see image).
So it’s right that 1533 is a ‘Problem’ but ‘No of CS’ should be 2 (not 3 or 1) - as an EV driver you only care about the type of connector, speed and the number of charging bays (2).
Another example on row 951 of an EVCS with the sheet showing ‘No of CS’ =8. It’s flagged as ‘Problem’ but 8 cars can charge here - there are 8 sockets, 8 bays (just about visible on Here maps) but the sheet comment reads “4 chargers with 2 sockets each”. Whilst technically correct, I don’t think this should be flagged.
I’m not trying to tread on any toes and I understand how challenging putting together the guidance must be but I think there needs to be clarification as to what we’re counting when checking ‘No of CS’ - for me I think it should be number of cars that can charge at the same time, not how many sockets or chargers there are.
Using that image, I read 6 possible connections not 8?
Two possible connections. Sorry - not very clear - the image relates to the first example.
Edit: I’ve spent a bit more time thinking about it and I guess ‘No of CS’ should equal number of devices regardless as to how many sockets they have or how many cars can charge from each. This would make both examples in my last post right to be flagged as ‘Problem’. I just don’t think it’s only me that’s confused by this as, looking at the Google sheet, people are going about it differently.
To be honest, there’s not much we can do about the number of plugs and charger types at the minute. If you know better, then by all means add your findings to the comments (and put the status to Problem). As these are taken from the feed that is supplied to Waze, if Waze takes any notice of these comments is anyone’s guess.