Northbourne/Kings Ave: Linking segments

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I’ve got an interesting one.

https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=row&lon=149.13427&lat=-35.30424&s=121618431&zoom=7&segments=334313938

In response to a UR (now closed) which reported that the name of the linking segment between each carriageway was incorrect, I split the link into two one way sections, following the established convention found on Northbourne.

The reporter correctly pulled me up, citing the wiki. https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/At-grade_connectors#Road_name

Should all these small linking roads run without a name? or should they be as they are now, which reflects the names found on the street signs as you approach these intersections?

MrGoatse

The discussion from the closed UR is here:

MrGoatse(3) June 16, 2017
Thanks for the report. Can you please advise why the driving direction was incorrect? The data to hand shows your drive as matching waze’s directions.
Reporter June 16, 2017
The right turn was wrongly called “onto Macquarie St” rather than the correct “onto King George Terrace”. The problem is the little segment between the east & west bound Kings Ave road segments should be “None” road name. The same problem exists with each of the other cross sections intersecting with Kings Ave (Blackall St, Walpole Cres, etc.) so they will also need correcting.
MrGoatse(3) June 17, 2017
Thanks for your detailed comment. The small sections are being updated to reflect current naming conventions on these small roads.
Reporter June 17, 2017
Hi MrGoatse, I’m an editor too (clearly, from my previous comment). Rather than create a complicated system of criss-crossing one-way segments, the much easier way is to leave the original two-way segment in place & just remove the name from that short segment.

The TTS will give the correct name as it pulls the name of the next named segment for instruction purposes. See this wiki page, which talks about At-grade connectors, but the principal still holds true: https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/At-grade_connectors#Road_name.

Furthermore, leaving that short segment unnamed allows it to be penalised properly for purposes of U-turn prevention, something that doesn’t happen if that segment is named.
MrGoatse(3) June 17, 2017
I understand these points and the wiki. The challenge is also one of consistency - Northbourne Avenue is entirely like this.
Should we move this discussion to the forums?
Reporter June 17, 2017
Wow, so it is! It’s the only place I’ve seen like that. Looks like it was done like that back in 2014. Personally, I would just change it to how it’s done everywhere else, but I have no problems with bringing this up for discussion in the forums.

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They should be single two-way segments and have no street name.
They will need to be changed back.
As a L3 editor, if you are aware of the Wiki, just wondering why you did not follow the guidelines?
Do you have a link to Northbourne Avenue where one of these are located.
Just because they already exist in the map does not mean they were correct at the time they were added to the map or meet the current editing standards.

On a side note: A23 - Northbourne Av/Federal Hwy are major highway types and have a city name.
That does not follow the Road names/Australia Wiki page guidelines for major highways.

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Thanks glomp,
In this case, I would go as far as to suggest that the wiki is wrong, and should be updated in this case.

Waze is about utility, and the setup which exists now reflects the actual driving experience on these roads, including getting the street name right.
Canberra roads (as you may well know) are pretty special - much happens on Canberra roads which you won’t see much of elsewhere, so assumptions about u-turn weighting etc don’t really apply here.

The setup like this https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=row&lon=149.13176&lat=-35.26608&s=78880023&zoom=7&segments=255290414 has been in place since I was a L1, and area managers have actively put this type of mapping in, so I see it as established local convention, and useful.
The advantage to this is that when a driver approaches from Sydney, and are instructed to turn right, they are instructed on the street name - Condamine St in this case.

I’m happy to go and sort the location names.

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Hi, I was the original UR reporter, but have been away from my computer for a while. I agree with ituajr on this, as stated in my UR reply.

As far as these two roads go, the only reason to complicate the intersection rather than using a simple two-way single segment would be for U-turn prevention, since the roads are so wide here that it’s impossible to get the parallel major roadways within 15m of each other. However, the way that Northbourne has been done doesn’t achieve this aim either. There are other subtle ways of doing this without adding a turn lane & complicating the visual appearance of the intersection, if we want to go down this path.

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An old thread but I believe I was the one that made the northborne connectors complicated. Based on advice in the forums that two oneway road thing was concocted in order to get the TTS correct. Obviously that has changed now.