[Page Update]Real Time Closures

Real Time Closures
There have been a lot of changes since this page went live.
Some of the new information got tacked on the end, and some of it is now out of date.
Some information that was added to this page now probably has a better home.
Everything needs a good fact check.
I am not 100% certain what will currently happen to MTE uploaded closures for segment IDs or node IDs that have not been uploaded, or nodes which have changed location (or exactly what a location change means in this context), so I’m not sure if that information is correct.

If anybody wants to play along, they are welcome to make some changes to the Draft Version. Edit first. Argue later. Or the other way around, if you prefer.

I’m working on deleting out-of-date information (USA closure sheet anyone?), removing information (like CCP) that has a better home on another page (and possibly linking to it there), and reorganizing information so that information that goes together logically is together on this page.
I also want to add in the behavior we can expect from a closure - like waze will no longer route to a destination on a closed segment (2 years ago, we expected it to do that).

  1. Recommend changing “This feature is restricted to rank 3 editors and above.” to “This feature is restricted to rank 3 editors and above; the editor must be able to edit the applicable segment. If the segment is locked above an editor’s rank then determine the state’s/region’s policy on providing an unlock to enter the closure or having a more senior editor enter the closure. Additionally find out if there is a tracking/reminder system to restore the lock level after the closure is expired if the road segment was lowered. Additionally CCP partners can be granted to add closure to any segment within their CCP area.”

  2. Road direction change. I don’t think there is a lose of data after the tile update from two way to one way. If you find someone improperly split a road that should be two way you can restore the road segments to two way and delete the new segments. The speed limit and the speed data in route speeds still appears to be saved.

  3. TBSR and TBTR should be variable or selectable for vehicles affected it can be all or only designated types.

  4. Not sure what you mean for the road type change affects routing for a closure. Changing from FW or MH to mH or lower affects routes for pruning based on distance of the route, but isn’t absolute for routing. If this is to change the road to a Private road (PR) segment then recommend changing for clarity. Guidance - "Changing the road type to a private road (PR) segment will prevent through routing unless the destination is on the private road segment. This is one way to do “Local Traffic Only” or “No Thru Traffic”.

  5. The statement to not have a TBSR with the RTC is correct except when a road segment goes away for a long period of time or permanently. Adding a TBSR and a RTC will prevent routing immediately and then after the tile update will be able to have the RTC removed and the segment deleted. This is explained on the scheduled reconfiguration page. Also for roads that will be closed for >1 year this prevents having the RTCs expire and routing through the closed area.

  6. The Roads may be temporarily renamed during construction section that you link to states that naming (Closed) or (Construction Zone) is depreciated and we don’t do that any more. Recommend deleting the last bullet under the “Deciding when to use an RTC” section.

  7. How to add a real time closure section. You state to save all pending saves. Think you should state that an edit which changes the segment number prevents adding the RTC till after the next tile update. By initially stating that the editor should save all pending edits, it might prevent them from adding the RTC.

  8. Step 4 Direction recommend correcting “then teh correct…” to “then the correct…”

  9. For step 4 Direction, should have some description of if you select multiple directions and choose two way for the closure then all two way segments will be closed two ways and the one ways will be closed in the appropriate direction.

  10. Also for step 4 Direction, if you select several two way and one way segments that are A-B and B-A direction then select a one way direction some may not have the closure added.

  11. Event, state that the Event must already be generated and that the closure’s start time and end time must be within the Event’s time frame. If the RTC starts before or ends after the MTE then that event is not selectable.

  12. Recommend changing “The longest duraction closure is 183 days.” to "The longest duration closure is 183 days. "

  13. Step 4 Start/End Date & Time, recommend mentioning that the RTC is applicable to the time zone of the segment’s location, not the editor’s location. Therefore entering a closure in California from the East Coast will initially default to the editor’s time and have the RTC not start for 3 hours; therefore the start time should be adjusted appropriately.

  14. Entering weather closures at the end of a day does not require avoiding using 23:59 as the start time. Understand your point but don’t think you need to state it in the Wazeopedia article.

  15. Save and Check, you may have to zoom in to see all the closures, not all will be displayed if you are zoomed out.

  16. Recommend changing “Closing both segments will prevent routing across the junction to reach a destination or leave a starting point, regardless of the user’s position in relation to that junction.” to "Closing all outbound segment(s) routing from the intersection will prevent routing across the intersection’s junction node to reach a destination or leave a starting point, regardless of the user’s position in relation to that junction node.

  17. Might want to state for some parades or races people are allowed to occasionally cross the route under police direction. RTCs should not be used for these intersections if known. These are similar to alternating closures w/o a schedule and the person just has to wait for the appropriate time to cross.

  18. Connected Citizens Program - Recommend changing “submitted to WME directly by Waze staff” to “entered in WME directly by Waze staff or the CCP’s employees.”

  19. Usernames and closures, recommend adding that in WME you can go to edit a RTC to see who entered the closure and who the last modified the closure (if applicable). Also a segment’s history shows who entered or removed a closure.

  20. Recommend changing “If you do not have the required rank to access the Closure feature in WME” to “if you do not have the required rank to access the Closure feature in WME or the road segment(s) are locked above your ability to edit”. Not the If is changed to if since it is not the beginning of the sentence.

  21. Recommend removing reference to the road closures form. No one uses it anymore.

  22. Recommend changing “if the node ID has been moved” to “if the segment ID has been changed; by creating a new segment, changing the road direction, or too large of an adjustment to the road’s length/geometry.”

  23. Recommend changing “For this reason, if you need to remove a segment or cut a segment in two, first place a Time based segment restriction on the segment, then apply the closure. …” to
    "For this reason, if you need to remove a segment, first place a Time based segment restriction on the segment, then apply the closure. After the next tile update, the segment restriction will be active in the app. You can then remove the closure and and remove the segment.
    “If you need to cut a segment in two, first place a Time based segment restriction on the segment. After the next tile update, the segment restriction will be active in the app. You can then cut the segment into two (or more segments). Remove the Time based segment restrictions from the applicable segment(s) that routing is allowed on and ensure the Time based segment restriction is on the segment to remain closed. After the next tile update, remove the Time based segment restriction and add a closure. This should allow you (after 2 or more tile updates) to limit a closure to a damaged bridge rather than being forced to apply it to a mile-long segment of road.”

  24. For the “Editing closed segments” section, recommend changing to “Editing segments with closures”; this refers to just segments with RTCs and eliminates segments closed by TBSR or TBTR. Also remove “and junction node” since it is preventing changing the segment ID.

  25. Recommend correcting the “{{rank|closure}” format in the MTE section.

  26. For the “Report closure feature in the Waze app” recommend adding that editors of Rank 5 + will have their in app closures immediately applied to the app.

  27. Recommend deleting "As of May 2015 Waze has recently changed the user interface, so you should not see these anymore. You will instead see the closure marked as end date “Not set” (see the next section). " and the whole next section on the not set since it appears the 1969 date is in use and May 2015 is long past.

Thanks for the notes. Please feel free to make changes where needed.

ok tweaked.

See you are modifying the App reported closures so leaving that alone.

Would take way the as of 2017 at the beginning of the closures with a start date of 1969 or 1970

Also haven’t seen a null date/time for the end period in WME.

Kartographer is making some changes as well.
This page has gotten so far out of date I think we’ll have to make several runs through the whole thing.

Everyone who has been following this discussion - please give this another read-through.

  • Is there still any out-of-date information?
  • Does any state or region still use the closure sheets?
  • I’d especially like to hear input from rank 1 and 2 editors. The rest of us might mentally “fill in the blanks” with information we already know instead of noticigin that it is missing or confusing here.
  • If you can improve the wording someplace, please do it. Then run your changes by others to make sure they agree it’s an improvement.

Thanks for your help!

https://wazeopedia.waze.com/wiki/USA/User:Voludu2/Real_time_closures

Looks like my previous edits were reverted back with the mispelling of the and others.
For “How to add a real time closure” section

first bullet for Save all pending edits, had added a warning about edits to the segment to be closed will prevent closure from being added.

“then teh correct direction” instead of having the word spelled the.

Not sure if that was intential or not, so let me know vice reentering the 27 changes again to have them removed.

This page looks good to go. I don’t see a reversion in the history, Alan, but perhaps someone was editing the page (sorry if it was me!) and saved before you could? I imagine Wazeopedia would want to resolve that paradox :lol:

I feel for you. That has happened to me before, too. you made those corrections on April 20?

I bet they disappeared right after.

If you wouldn’t mind, please do it again.

To make it safer, please consider clicking on the edit or edit source button in one small section of the page at a time. That way, if someone else is editing another small section of the page at the same time, there will be no edit conflict and this won’t happen to you again.

replaced the changes where it wasn’t reworded since I submitted the original ones.

I am going to jump in on this to bring a jr editor level perspective… Wasn’t so long ago…

Thank you so much.

I’m not sure what this one means

I think it is confusing to talk about “time change”.

Maybe

I am also under the impression that if the segment is no longer attached to the same two nodes, you will also not be able to apply the RTC.

I imagine this is because routes are generated node-to-node. The segments are the edges connecting the nodes, and the information on them allows the routing algorithm to weight or reject the edge. I imagine this is why the champs and waze staff who contributed to the page included that information, and I would not like to take out references to nodes without doing some testing.

I don’t like the continuously part sounds like it is more of a tunnel or bridge over the closure . How does this sound?

If traffic is occasionally allowed to cross the closure route at a particular intersection, then it is not necessary to apply a closure at this cross street. Waze will detect the traffic slowdown and route accordingly.

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Your statement does not appear to be true. You can remove a segment from a node and still put a RTC on any segment. Unless the one is significantly moved a fairly large distance.
It does not appear to be node to node since you can add a segment or two at the end of an existing segment and still add the closer on the original segment.

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I am not a fan of continuously, periodically or occasionally since they leave the question of what does that mean.
How about simply

If traffic at an intersection is being directed by police, then it is not necessary to apply a closure at the cross street. Waze will detect the traffic slowdown and route accordingly.

Thanks for the rewording on traffic allowed through the corss street.

I’m going to hold off on the node issue until I understand it better - and what is meant by “the one is moved a fairly large distance”.

Thanks!

As there has been no further discussion, I have moved the draft version and all its history to the mainspace at
https://wazeopedia.waze.com/wiki/USA/Real_time_closures.

Thanks for putting this together, but why did you move the history?