Re: Belgium Rules

Do you have a specific location or example where you think it will go wrong with the actual rules?
Maybe you can plot a route in google maps to show, because I don’t think I see the point why you don’t want to use the main roads. :wink:

I think Yoho refers to the road type discussion. Maantje states Waze uses average speeds for routing, not road types. The wiki states different.

Indeed but the challenge is to find a place where using the road types for driving would give you worst results than using the average speed. I didn’t find such an example.

In other words if you can draw a route between A and B using roads N1-99 (= major highway) and draw a second route using roads N100-999 (= minor highway), you should find a place where the second route is obviously faster than the first one (and it would be very interesting to see which route waze is taking in this case). Tunnels in Brussels are not such an example : they are N1-99 whereas surrounding streets are N100-999…

There is an other aspect to roadtypes and routing: the route tends to “stick” to the higher types. If routing has to decide if you should leave a freeway for a stretch of highway it will only do so if there is enough time to be gained from that maneouvre. The same applies the other way around: you may stick to a minor highway and not change to a freeway if there is only minimal time to be gained (but less than from high to low). Most of the time this is correct behavior as you do not want to change roads many times for 2-3 minutes overall difference in a 60 minutes drive. It makes the routes more agreeable.

Thanks. Too bad these routing behavior are not documented somewhere…

Speedcams

We can’t reach all Waze users, but I would like to ask you, if you report a redlight or speedcamera, please also place a ‘general maperror’ (UR) with the text 'add speedcam @ xx km/h, or redlightcam . Personaly I always add my username when I place an UR (all kind of UR’s), so an editor can directly contact me.

Now there are 100’s of cam’s reported weekly, but you can’t do much with them…It won’t change much, but it’s a start. And every reported cam WITH this info is one!

Thanks!

Maantje76, I’ve seen you have added the following note in the Belgium wiki :

I’m not a native dutch speaker so this all sounds ok for me but what is the reason for these statements ? It would be nice to give it also on the wiki. With former cartouche, there was a possibility to add alternate street names : do you know if this possibility will be re-introduced one day ?

Also, what do you propose for cities and street names outside Brussels ? I guess the easiest is to have street names in the language of the region these cities / streets belong to but it should be written in the wiki too.

Every city in belgium has 1 main language.
Except for the (10?) cities in the brussels capital city area.
Thos are multi language. So we had to make a choise (otherwise you would get vééééééry long streetnames.
Whe choose for frensh, because most of the people in brussels are frensh speaking.

Indeed there are plans to add multi language support, but don’t really suspect that to come in the near future. It could be a year or more to get such a function into the map editor.

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I tried to clarify this on the WIKI for you :wink:

This was allready in the WIKI, but I also did some clarifiaction to that…

As Peter allready answered…Did you register yourself for the Waze Meeting? You have the opportunity to speak to the Waze staff personally, and discuss with them about this kind of things…

Thanks for you remarks!

Ok, thanks both of you.

I’m thinking about it.

Hi,

Mostly I agree with the naming conventions proposed, but you should realize that some of these really are out of sync and require an update. Some of these are just too dutch!

A good example in this is now that waze has the option to say streetnames, it kind of gives me the shivers when I hear Waze say “Afrit ri …” for ramps.

I would also like to mention that I do not understand why this topic was started in Dutch? English would be so much better placed since Belgium has more then 1 language.

Allow me to propose the below, which I would highly appreciate to see used.

Cheers

How to label and name roads
Freeways

  • In general all freeways. (Roads starting with ‘A’ or ‘E’, example: E40 - A3)
  • Access to these roads goes through ramps.
    Naming:
    Exx - Axx || Exx{space}{dash}{space}Axx
    These roads do not get a city name.

Major Highways

  • N-roads from N1 to N9. (Radial roads from Brussels to the country borders)

  • N-roads from N11 to N99.
    Naming:
    Nxx - Streetname || Nxx{space}{dash}{space}Streetname
    Minor Highways

  • N-roads from N100 to N999.

  • B-roads
    Naming:
    Nxx - Streetname || Nxx{space}{dash}{space}Streetname

Ramps

  • Ramps and exits on and off the freeways and main roads.
    Naming at exits:
    Exit xx - Direction1, Direction2 || Exit{space}xx{space}{dash}{space}Direction1{comma}{space}Direction2
    Naming at ramps:
    Exx - Direction1, Direction2 || Exx{space}{dash}{space}Direction1{comma}{space}Direction2
    Always use whats written on the road signs.
    Primary Streets

  • Main- and other important roads.

Streets

  • All other streets.
    Pedestrian boardwalk

  • Bycicle roads

  • Walking trails

  • Buslanes
    (Caution! Direction has to be: ‘Unknown’ and the checkbox ‘Locked’ must be ticked)

Ring roads
Ring roads in Belgium are named with: Rxx
So these do not get an A or E number added to the name.

We can remove this whole topic. All info is on the wiki page :slight_smile:

About the naming. This is something waze didn’t update yet. TTS can say abbreviations as full word without any problem. Zo hebben we ook last van ‘op de rotonde neeme…’

Maar dat komt goed denk ik…

I’ve read in the newsletter (see forum “announcement”) that alternate street names will be re-introduced in the map editor soon. Maybe it gives us the opportunity to have both dutch and french street names ! I don’t know how these alternate street names are used in the waze client though (are they only used for search ?)

Indeed they will be available in the next WME version. It’s now in the beta version. For basemapped countries it is not usefull. It doesn’t vissable appear in the client and for searching it uses an external database. I think it allready doesn’t matter if you search for french or dutch name…

Maybe in the future they will implement a feature, that it show the streetnames in your language. Than it is usefull, and we can start all over again :wink:

Ok, nice to know (why did I spend hours filling alternate names in the former cartouche ? … :frowning: )

nobody knows… :frowning:

And nobody will ever know cause this will remain absolutely useless and invisible work :smiley: (well, when I say hours I’ve probably exagerated a bit anyway, so I don’t feel that frustrated… :slight_smile: )

As I didn’t find the right topic to write in I will put my question here. because finally it’s related to the Belgium Rules.

Here is a segment:
https://world.waze.com/editor/?lon=4.22834&lat=50.7246&zoom=4&layers=BFTFFTTTTFTTFTTTTTTTTTTFT&segments=186949777

From the beginning of the E429 - A8 until this segment, the freeway is also sharing the name of N203a. So we have a portion of freeway which is also major highway (or vice versa).

I would like to know more about the rule that determines the type of the street here.
Is it right that this segment is set to Major Highway, and not Freeway? and if yes… why? :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks in advance.
Kr,
Laurent.

It’s MH because it’s not a freeway :wink:

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You could say that the typology of the street is changing from that point… you go from 2 lanes to one and a little bit further, you even have a crossroad… So it would be strange to have a freeway with a crossroad, not?!
Besides that, it could give you some instruction since the street is a N-way, which should be a major highway. Freeways are normalley called with an A-way name, mostly combined with an European E-way name. Some N-ways are also combined with an E-name, but aren’t a freeway because of that.

Is this somehow understandable and correct?! :slight_smile: