And many of the people paying at the pump are paying with debit cards which therefore pay the cash price.
Why would you do that when they specifically ask their users to use the cash price? You are ruining the experience for everyone else who is following the proper procedure.
So if you ignore 1-way street signs when you are driving does that mean you map the roads on the Waze Map as 2-way since that’s how you drive?
If the cash price is displayed on the matrix boards, and the cash price is your standard, stick it in the wiki and stop arguing. Standards are standards, please follow them for the sake of the community.
Standards are standards, as long as everyone’s following them. Unfortunately, not all gas stations follow a standard.
Some display the cash price.
Some display the cash price and the credit price.
Some display the price you pay if you use their proprietary credit card.
Some display the price for anyone with a store discount card.
Some display the price you pay if you buy a car wash too.
Etc.
And naturally, practices vary state by state, city by city.
But for the purposes of stations that display only one price per grade, that is going to be the price that gets entered regardless of what you need to do to get that price.
For stations that display both a cash price and the credit price, enter the cash price.
On another note, the “legal” price for gas in Connecticut is the CREDIT price. Retailers are allowed to give a discount for paying Cash, but it is up to the individual gas station - IF they participate they must post BOTH prices on the pumps.
Not necessarily everywhere in the USA. Surely different by state. Here at Arco (owned by BP) in California debit cards are the cash price plus a $.35 fee. There is no way this fee can be accounted for when using an application to track gas prices. The end users need to know that if they go to Arco and pay with debit they are going to pay this fee.
The issue here is that Waze is certainly not going to provide guidance for which price to use in different states (they won’t provide any guidance as it is). We should have a country-wide standard if we expect to be able to get useful information out of the data - like finding the lowest priced gasoline or diesel independent of additional fees.
But it’s obvious from the posts here that the data is not going to be accurate since everyone will be doing as they wish. So the feature is useless for comparing prices.
Really I don’t think Waze even cares. This is just them providing a feature to get you to go to their advertisers to purchase gas. They don’t care about the quality of the data.
I think the simplest solution is to provide a Cash Price and a Credit Price in the app. As for Debit Card users, their charges vary by state (see above post by gettingthere) they should know what the laws/regulations are and know if they are paying Cash, Credit, Cash + $X fee and then use the available data to figure out their price.
Although then it’s up to 8 fields of data to verify and maintain for many stations. I think that the other solutions that do only gas price tracking have stayed away from doing so because it over complicates the data entry. I don’t use this applications frequently but the 2 or 3 that I have tried do not offer separate fields for cash and credit prices. Some offer an optional comments field though.
Maybe a cash and credit checkbox on the entry screen that is optional? That way when Wazers are searching for the lowest gas price they can at least know if the prices that are being displayed are the cash or credit prices. In places where the prices are not separate, the Wazer would not check either box when updating the prices. Too complicated?
“Gas station attendant”? They still have those out your way? :lol: Seriously, there is only one full-serve station that I know of within a 50-mile radius of my home – every other station is self-serve. Oddly enough, that one full-serve station usually has the lowest price in the area too … so it gets a lot of my business, especially when I’m in a hurry (or in winter, when I don’t really want to get out of the van until I reach my destination :D).
I know that there are states (NJ comes to mind as an example, although it may have changed since I was last there) where the government has decided that its citizens are either too careless or too dumb to pump their own gas, and has passed legislation requiring all stations to be full-serve.
[tongue-in-cheek] On the full/self issue … that could bring up another lengthy discussion – I remember in the past seeing stations that had full-serve and self-serve pumps, and the self-serve cost less than the full-serve. So why not make 4 price fields per grade per station (full/cash, full/credit, self/cash, self/credit)? And why only 4 grades? Some stations in my area have 7 grades (86, 87, 89, 91, 93, diesel, kerosene) – why slight them with only 4 grades? [/tongue-in-cheek] :roll: :lol:
You forgot sodas and hot dogs. And then the app should automatically calculate where your total bill will be lowest based on everything you plan to purchase.
I mean, if you’re going to roll out something that doesn’t work the way it should, why not add even more features that don’t work?
Is it on a reservation? They’re always the cheapest in my experience.
Re tipping station attendants: seriously? I’ve filled up in Oregon a dozen times or so, and not once has anyone been especially useful. One station had one guy working maybe 12 pumps, all of them in use. When I pulled up he wasn’t around so I just got out and started it myself. The old man patiently waiting at the pump next to mine looked at me as if I’d just gotten the pump to dispense chardonnay and said “HOW DID YOU DO THAT?!”
What do these people do when they leave the state?!
All this nonsense about cash, credit, full serve, self serve, hot dogs etc is why this should not be over complicated and we should just be entering the cash, self serve prices. If there are not multiple prices posted just put in whatever you see.
If someone wants full serve or to pay with credit card they will expect to pay more. The prices need to be on a level field. You can’t compare prices if they are all based on different payment methods and services.