Restricted Byway - to map or not to map?!

Any advice on the best practice for mapping (or not) a Restricted Byway?

There’s a UR open in my area at the moment regarding a road that is clearly signed as “Restricted Byway - Access Only” on GSV. This road is set as a Private Road, so should not navigable as part of a standard routing.

Having followed the GSV along the segment, it doesn’t seem to go to any buildings, so I can’t see why anyone would need to navigate to a point along it. I’m just after establishing if this road should even exist on Waze, or if it’s just worth disconnecting it and leaving a Comment in WME to explain why?

My stock answer for stuff like this is that, where something that looks like a road is visible in the aerial imagery, then if it isn’t already mapped in Waze as something, it’ll only be a matter of time before it does end up getting mapped. So IMO it’s preferable that it’s mapped in Waze in a manner which causes it to behave as we’d expect it to behave, than to remove it from the map data and then risk having it added in again in a way which causes routing errors…

I’d also query leaving it in place but disconnected, because as the signage indicates there is a legal exemption for vehicles to travel along there. Whether we think anyone would ever use Waze to navigate to a point along it is by the by(way), and even if it’s vanishingly unlikely that anyone might want to route to the byway, it’s less unlikely that someone might drive there for whatever reason and then ask Waze for a new route from a point along it.

So as long as we can leave it mapped in a way that allows people to make use if it when required, without messing up routing for other users, then I’d say leave alone. As several of us have discovered to our cost, leaving map comments explaining why stuff is mapped in a way that looks a bit odd isn’t always going to stop well-intentioned but over-eager editors from fixing stuff, especially if they’re being guided by any of the scripts that like to highlight things which may well be errors, but which aren’t guaranteed to be unless you fully understand the context in which they’re mapped, which in turn may require the editor to have the map comments layer turned on, to then notice that there’s a comment nearby, take the time to read it and understand what it means… Easier to just discourage them from messing in the first place.

One thing I did notice is that the private road heading off to the west has all outwards turns set to red here, which is likely to raise red flags with the aforementioned scripts as well as with the native map problem scanning process that HQ runs in the background. Note that if someone were to come along and fix this problem by enabling all the turns, it’d then allow Waze to route directly from that private segment into the byway private segment, potentially causing the byway to end up being used as a through route from the first private segment in violation of the signed restrictions.

To avoid this, you could either redraw the junction here so that the two private segments don’t form a crossroads (i.e. break the direct route from one PS into the other, which would then prevent use of the second one as part of a through route for drivers already on the first one), or add a short section of normal street type segment to one or both of the private segments (which again would break the direct PS-PS connection whilst still maintaining the crossroads geometry).

Disclaimer: all above advice is my own, other senior editor opinions are available and may differ, may cause staining to lightly coloured fabrics, seek medical advice if swelling remains after use

2 possible reasons for someone being routed down here.

1- there’s a farm building/house at the end of the private segment. The more obvious access is via this off-road segment. Perhaps make that segment private and disconnect from the byway?

2- if you search for Uffington White Horse the Google Maps location is wrong, the byway is the closest segment to this point.
I’d add this Google place as an External Provider and submit an error report in Google.

Ah, I thought the UR was referring to the more visible restriction signage on the segment to the east, I hadn’t streetviewed far enough along the one on the west to have seen the signage there as well…

Based on how some versions of the OS mapping show The Ridgeway (the east-west track here) as a series of dead-end sections rather than as any sort of through route, combined with the “Ridgeway closed to motor traffic” signage at the northern end of the north-south segment Jon highlighted above, I’d be inclined to set that N-S one as a street type and then add another street from its southern end down to the farm buildings, so that Waze is given an unambiguous non-private route to the farm, whilst still keeping the tracks/by-ways mapped for the reasons noted earlier.

Thanks for the input all… interesting debate!

I’ve made the changes based on Chris’ last post, so let’s see how that goes.

I’d still add the Google links to Uffington White Horse to give correct routing if the Google result is selected. And while you’re there set a Car Park Type for the car park :smiley:

Late to the discussion but a couple of points from me.

Be careful of private road segments joining at cross roads (and parking road segments for that matter). Waze will treat these segments as one long private street and so there would be no penalty for using the private segment(s) on one side of the crossroads as a through route to reach a destination on the other side of the crossroads.

You can add the unpaved flag to a private road segments which is good as it has a visual impact but it will have absolutely no affect on routing as the penalty for it being a private road segment is ranked higher than the penalty for unpaved and Waze will only apply one penalty to a segment.

Cheers,
Andrew

If private road isn’t sufficiently restricted, e.g. for the reasons Andrew indicates in the previous post, you can always slip in a section of off-road/not maintained.

I quite often do this when there is a continuous route between two public roads, with a reasonably drivable farm track at each end and rutted tractor route between the farms. Remember “normal” people do live in farmhouses and associated cottages, so there’s good reason to map their access.

Ian