Thought I’d start a semi-permanent thread for posting questions about what should go on the “city” line.
In Hawaii it seems we need a breakdown to the neighborhood or community level, which is why the island of Oahu technically is all the City and County of Honolulu but we need place names like Haleiwa, Kahuku, Aiea, etc. showing up in traffic reports and the like, otherwise people won’t know where things are. It can’t say “Kamehameha Highway, Honolulu” because that could be many places on Oahu, for example.
(Neighbor islanders: I imagine it’s the same issue throughout the state.)
Sometimes it’s hard to know where to draw the line. For example, places like Halsey Terrace and Catlin Park are military housing areas but not on the base itself. They don’t fit into other neat categories.
Similarly, I’ve tended to call Ewa subdivisions “Ewa Villages” pretty generically, rather than “Ewa by Gentry” and all the other subdivision names.
Is there a community or forum for your area where you can collaborate with other locals?
My personal suggestion would be, if this one city contains several roads with the same name, then break the City down to neighbourhoods/suburbs/districts (delete as applicable).
But I’d get the input of others in the area first to see what they’re doing.
Well, this is the Hawaii forum. It’s newly created, though, and it’s hard driving users here. I think eventually we’ll get more locals here, or that’s my hope.
Ah I didn’t see the forum this thread was in. D’oh
As I said above, if you have more than 1 or 2 where the road names are the same, then it would be best to split down to a sensible size, maybe by district or suburb or whatever is appropriate for where you are.
If there are only one or two editors though, I’d say go ahead with whatever you feel is best locally and get a working map, and then worry about the finer details when you have the Wazers and editors
We have the City and County of Honolulu with the City Council as the governing body over Honolulu and the island of O’ahu. We do have Neighborhood Boards governing the outskirts of Honolulu (they set up meetings so neighborhood constituents can vent ). The Council is in the process of placing signs around the island at those neighborhoods with the proper nomenclature for cultural accuracy.
Here’s what I noticed with Waze. If you go to Google Maps and type in Laie, Hi, you’ll see it lit up in red. I’ve noticed with MOST cities/towns in the area I AM in, that red area matches the same city limits area in Waze. It’s depicted in the road segments, like in this permalink:
The junction in between these two road segments is the city limit for this town. If you Google Menard, Tx and then look at the junction, you’ll see they match almost 100% (give or take a few feet), but this might give you a general idea of what or how to label things in the city column, or how to label everything in Hawaii.
That makes a lot of sense, tx. I accept that as a standard to follow if it’s the consensus of the editors. I think it weeds out the development names that we turn into city names by usage.
I also think this would be a good guide. The Google map notation describes this as a “census designated place.” It was one reason why I started using the “Ewa Villages” designation, because it was a CDP.
Searching for that phrase yielded this from the Census site:
Census Designated Place (CDP)
CDP is the abbreviation for Census designated place, the statistical counterpart of incorporated places and are delineated to provide data for settled concentrations of population that identifiable by name but are not legally incorporated under the laws of the state in which they are located. CDPs are delineated cooperatively by state and local officials and the Census Bureau, following Census Bureau guidelines.
Also found this explainer:
Hawaii is the only state that has no incorporated places recognized by the U.S. Census Bureau. All places shown in the data products for Hawaii are CDPs. By agreement with the state of Hawaii, the U.S. Census Bureau does not show data separately for the city of Honolulu, which is coextensive with Honolulu County.
This may be why we don’t see the red on our street segments.
Meanwhile I am trying to find a list of CDPs for Hawaii.
Of course, I wonder what areas would be left to be simply named “Honolulu”!
The .e00 files are exports from a GIS system. You’ll need to use a program like ArcView to view the info which probably includes the polygons for each area. It isn’t a simple list of the area.
Look at the “ARC/INFO Ungenerate (ASCII)” section of files. Unzip the file and you will see a d00.dat and d00a.dat file. Open the d00a.dat file with a normal text editor and you will be able to see the names.
Well, after I edited it down, I realized these were from the 2000 Census. Lotsa changes since then, including the decommissioning of Barbers Point and the appearance of Kalaeloa as a Census Designated Place.
But Google is your friend, and I found this list of 2010 CDPs:
Using these names to search in Google Maps may help identify areas. However, there are probably exceptions to be made, including the newer names for military installations due to all the swaps and mergers (Hickam with Pearl Harbor, Wheeler now being an Army airfield, etc.) I think those changes are accurately reflected on the map, now. Nacron has made many of those changes already.
Also, I found some CDPs on Google Maps that are not on this list (McCully-Moiliili was one).
). The Council is in the process of placing signs around the island at those neighborhoods with the proper nomenclature for cultural accuracy.