Continue straight turn override now enabled

‘Continue straight’ overrides have now been enabled on the Production server:
https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=230110

Can we have some guidance on whether we should be using this in the UK, on such things as Cross roads where you have to cross over a Give Way sign (quite a common UR)?

I’m sure the CAs/CMs are thinking and discussing hard, I agree this could do with guidance as there are potentially hundreds of crossroads where this would be useful but would litter the map with TIOs. If we use this on every country crossroad we are then having to judge the ‘dangerousness’ of each junction, beyond our remit in my opinion… then that leads to if we do it for rural junctions why not urban junctions and my head starts to hurt :expressionless:

I’m all for a rule when M-Roads or A-Roads continue directly into a similar M/A-Road.

[h]Draft Guidelines[/h]

The “Continue” instruction override should only be used in the following scenarios:

When one motorway / A-road merges into another
For example: M61 onto M6, or M1 onto A1(M)
* Continue instruction to be added at the point where road A merges into road B.

  • Except when already preceded by an instruction that mentions road B.
    For example, where the M18 joins the M1 - there’s already KL/KR instructions for M1
  • Not for entry ramps except for restricted junctions where there’s no preceding instruction.
  • This actually applies when any type of road merges with a dual-carriageway without warning.

When a motorway or dual carriageway changes name/designation
For example: A1 to A1(M) and back, M62 to A63, A31 to M27

  • Continue instruction to be added close to where the road changes, or with the preceding ramp to leave the road.

Long slip lanes with split
When there’s a long slip lane that later splits into two ramps, there’s a risk that the later KR instruction may be announced before the driver had left the main carriageway, particularly when the zero-point is quite early.

  • An extra node can be added at the point the lane separates from the main carriageway, with a 'Continue’ instruction. This delays the split instruction until later.
  • (requires example)

Junctions on Corners

  • When the main road bends around a sharp corner, and a side-road is “straight-ahead”.
    Especially when a ‘turn’ instruction doesn’t make sense, or is ambiguous.

Other junctions that require clearer instructions

  • To be assessed on a case-by-case basis

Do [h]NOT[/h] use continue instructions for the following, unless essential for navigation:

  • Cross Roads - navigation is not required for every junction, drivers should be using their eyes!
    May be useful to add if the following junction would confuse drivers if announced before the cross-roads.
  • Shallow angle junctions with “Give Way” lines
    Geometry should be instead adjusted to produce an obvious ‘turn left’ instruction.
  • Motorway / Dual Carriageway Lane drops / splits
    To be mapped with keep left/right TIOs according to current guidelines.
    (i.e. not changed to use continue instruction)

Discuss!

It may be hard to reach consensus on cross roads, so please present considered arguments for and against. On the one hand noobs keep asking for them, and yet we don’t want to have every single one of them announced on a journey. But then, how many routes will be crossing over other roads (give way), rather than following them (right of way)?

Drivers should really be using their own eyes and judgement, and not relying on a sat nav to tell them when there’s a Give Way sign. They don’t actually need navigation at this point.

I strongly feel that we should NOT give ‘continue’ instructions at crossroads. If we did it for a few, we would have to do it for all because a user could come to expect them. They could then potentially sue Waze and those who contribute for not alerting them to give way junctions. We must keep waze as a navigation tool not a driver control tool!

I travelled back from Scotland over the weekend, and found the “continue straight onto A1(M)”, “continue straight onto A1” instructions useful so I think adding them is a good idea.
I gotta agree that adding them for crossroads is unnecessary, unless a junction is over complicated.

However, I do see a flaw to these guidelines.
For example, the junction here:
There are 2 left turns when heading south on A62, so a “continue straight on, then turn left onto chapel road” instruction would probably be better, however this would mean that everyone wanting to go straight on at that junction would get a “continue” instruction unnecessarily.
I also think a “continue straight” would be better for chamber road onto hardman street as this is not immediately obvious due to the way the road is.

In terms of motorway/road changes that meet these guidelines, I know of quite a few segments, how would we lower levels raise these? As individual Editor Requests posts for each one, or can they be requested in bulk?

Firstly, your example junction would be covered by:

Secondly:

As the Motorway network is L5 these should be able to be done in bulk unlock request, with separate Permalinks, as L5s generally have national editing coverage. However it is also likely that as these are Draft Guidelines at this point most of the Mway > A-Roads involved would be easier to edit by the L5+ than bothering with unlocking/relocking :expressionless:

I’m not sure I agree with your argument of user expectation.
You could have said the same thing about introducing speed limits. Although most major roads now have these in Waze they are still missing from roughly 1/3 of all roads (approx 1 million segments!) and as far as I know, Waze has not been sued by anyone getting a speeding ticket where they are missing.

My view is that we should add these as they are a natural part of navigational instructions. If I were verbally giving someone directions I would include crossroads.

In my experience, this is confirmed by user feedback in URs. For example, here is one I received today after explaining that Waze does not currently give these instructions:

The comparison with other sat-navs is a very valid point as this does repeatedly seem to be a feature that users feel is missing from Waze.

Atrophicshiner raises a good point about rural v urban - so another option may be to map them in rural areas but not in urban areas (e.g. 20/30mph roads), which would cover the UR I mentioned above.

As Tim said, the use at crossroads is clearly the most divided subject and has already sparked much discussion amongst the CMs :wink:

[IMHO] On the subject of cross-roads, if turn overrides are to be added, then they should only be added for the traffic that has to give-way, and not for traffic that has right-of-way. If the junction has traffic lights, then there should be no need to add turn overrides (except to clarify navigation).

Again I ask: how many routes will be crossing many junctions, such that these instructions will be annoying? I can’t imagine it would be a significant proportion, so how much harm would it be to add them all? (besides the cost of adding them, and very little value?)

Personally, I only look at Waze for speeds if I have missed a speed sign. If I’m going too fast I’ll slow down but if I’m going slower than Waze says I won’t speed up unless I’m almost certain from other external cues that it is correct.

With regards to directions, I have on occasion almost missed crossroads and roundabouts because they weren’t identified because I can go into autopilot a bit when being directed by a satnav. If Waze identifies crossroads the likelihood of people going onto autopilot would greatly increase. If waze then fails to identify all crossroads, that autopilot could contribute to one unsafely crossing the crossroads with potentially very serious consequences. To be honest this was my bigger concern in the first place.

I drive quite a few country roads and the quality and visibility of the road signage is somewhat variable but it is better to know you have to be alert rather than expecting your satnav to do the work for you.

IMO

I’d vote in favour of adding it to mark give way lines at crossroads, on a case-by-case basis - especially if a UR has been raised by a user on the ground. Streetview only goes some way - consider when it’s dark/raining/glare too.

Waze already does the same at roundabout give way lines, this would enable the same at crossroads by giving waze information on which road has to give way.

the UR comments above from PealRinger adds a dimension I hadn’t considered too, that waze will currently give a distance to the next turn (or roundabout), enforcing the I-don’t-need-to-do-anything-until-then mode.

I’m for case by case too, though I can see a time (sometime soon?) when drivers may wonder why they only get the command at certain junctions.

I have actually added one in a few days ago. In the UR in question, the “primary street” has to give way to the “street” so I saw it as a valid case.

could say the same for KL/KR for lane drops/off-slips. Wazers don’t know our guidelines on when/when-not to use them they just see some give keep right and some don’t.

I think it would be fine to use continue straight at crossroads (or other such junctions) where traffic lights are controlling traffic.
I have used a continue TIO here where traffic lights control the entire junction. This is just to clarify that you should go “straight”, even though I see countless drivers in the wrong lanes/indicating the wrong way etc at this junction.

Hi. Take a look at this script, it’s great for showing you the standard turn instructions as a result of angles and segment types - a couple of those TIO aren’t needed as they are the same as waze standard. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/wme-junctionangle/cfcpfikgmfoghjfpfepmklballeagadf?hl=en-GB

Just to play devil’s advocate :evil:

Has anyone considered the following, we are currently debating using the continue instruction at crossroads on the roads that do not have priority. Is there not a risk that wazers will be given the “Continue onto Next Street” when approaching a crossroad and believe they have priority, or are we assuming that having the instruction will trigger the wazer to be more aware of the junction ahead and this is enough :?:

I would hope that hearing any prompt at all would make a Wazer think, ‘Right, there’s a junction coming up, so let me check my surroundings’.
As a side note, I think that we should only be adding them when there are clear give way signs (not just markings on the road). This should be the case at most (if not all) junctions of this kind.

I tried PM to Tim on this but I am guessing he busy with real life i have a user who really does not see the point of the continue here its locked at a level i can make the change but would like some clarification. Yes the road name is changing but its still a dual carriageway and no chance of turning off. I think we should remove the continue in these instances as we not adding any benefit for the user are we? If it was joining a motorway that be different

I did look into this (forgot to reply, sorry). Discussed with a couple other champs, and we reckon that the northbound route doesn’t need a ‘continue’, but the southbound maybe does (because there is a fork). However, the user is complaining about the southbound one!

I think what users really want to know is how far it is until they have to wake up for their next junction. As the previous poster wrote, a sat-nav instruction is a cue for the driver to check their surroundings, lane, signs, etc. Needless alerts when they don’t need to do anything only annoys.

Personally I dislike the A1 / A1(M) transitions, but others argue that it’s important/useful to know when you’re entering or leaving a motorway (though there are little blue signs for that).

No worries about forgetting, better in forums for people to search for advice :slight_smile:

I really don’t see a need for a continue from the A19 south to the A168 south GSV shows it as a standard slip road to get off carriageway so not sure how its different to the northbound. I have driven this road a lot while they mess with the A1 and never felt the need for a continue here. More useful would be all the mobile speed cams lol

If you let me know if its ok to change i drop a map comment there as well so it does not appear again
Cheers Ian

IMHO, I’d say that the continues on both sides are not needed.
Looking at the exits on the both NB and SB carriageways, both just look like standard slip road exits (no lane drops)