How to handle Place Updates?

Thread split from the one titled “London UR’s getting out of hand”

Complete and utter waste of time. I wonder whether some estate agents have hit on the idea of adding residences that they’ve got on the market so they can get prospective customers there more easily. How many approvals does it take before a new editor can add their own places without approval?

I generally just delete any with just a photo (usually taken after dark, upside down, or of somewhere else) and no other details. When the function first became available, I’d spend time adding phone numbers/websites, even opening hours, but now I just leave those for others to do.

Me too, if there are details I’ll check it out, If the picture is a good one I’ll have a look but otherwise the map is not going to be improved by them. I remember when I first started using the app, i played with some of its features and probably caused some work for a volunteer editor without knowing it (I even took a couple of substandard photos when that came in, but deleted them myself!), so I don’t get cross but I doubt that most genuine users will be that bothered if picture doesn’t appear.

Bit like the introduction of house numbering - in principle neither this or places is a bad idea, but the amount of effort required to insert/validate all the data is conpletely out of proportion to the reward either to the editors or the end users.

And given all the problems there’s been with the implementation of places both in the app and editor, it seems a bit premature of Waze to be using excessive levels of PURs as an excuse to meddle in the local management of an area. Granted, the combined clutter of URs and PURs doesn’t look great, and I plan to attack the west of London over the Christmas break, but it doesn’t help when Waze keep adding new crap for us to administrate without giving us battle-hardened tools with which to do so, or any real incentive for us to do it at all.

not to be taken seriously Maybe we should just threaten to delete each PUR as soon as it shows up - keeps the map decluttered and keeps as much of our precious time as possible free to deal with URs and MPs…

Hi,

I have been, so far, deleting or not approving PU for private residences as 1) the picture quality is dire and 2) I see little benefit of a picture of the front of a house or hedge that matches most other houses or hedges on the street!
I have also been taking a quite severe approach to PU photos that just do not convey the place that the user is trying to capture. Most need to be take in daylight and from a reasonable distance to actually catch the premesis and users are not doing this.

Des. . . :wink:

I’ve split this thread into two. I’ve preserved woodvale’s original response about London here:

See this new thread about how to handle Place Updates.

I’m glad I’m not alone with my opinion on Place Updates. While they have the potential to be very powerful at the moment they’re just a little annoying. I’m finding that people are taking pictures that include more of their car than any landmark. As far as I can tell there is no guidance in the app which ends up with some rather poor information being entered.

Having said that, I haven’t seen any Place Updates in my area for a little while. It’s possible someone is getting there before me or possibly the user has given up. I’m not sure whether they are told that their update has been rejected or accepted.

I’m fairly certain that there’s no notification of approval (having had a couple of images over the weekend pop up - thanks to whoever did the honours).

I have been rejecting a couple of lingering photos which don’t seem to add anything useful, but I’d prefer some kind of mechanism to supply simple feedback (gently saying “property/residence not clear” or similar).

This would at least help stop the amount of unnamed places and useless photo’s currently appearing.

Some thoughts I’ve had about place updates, and how to get through them efficiently.

If you’re the local AM, and you care about Places being accurate and useful, then by all means take the time to check and research their details to get them right. This is easy to do if you only have a few pop up every week.

However, in areas with large numbers of Place Updates, it is impractical to check up on every single one. I’m of the mind that if a place is submitted with incorrect details and then approved by an editor, someone else will eventually spot it and submit a correction. That’s how crowd sourcing works!

Look out for these different types of Place Updates (identifiable by the title of popup)

New Place - adding a new place to the map (Approve button changes to “Add to map”)

  • These are worth paying attention to, as the user is attempting to add some real value.
  • Quickly check that the location, name and street look vaguely reasonable. If not, reject!
  • Often, a new place is immediately followed by a new picture. That picture should be of the front of the building. If it’s a picture down street or from far away, then the location is likely to be inaccurate.
  • If you accepted the new place, but then decided the photo was from too far away, press undo to un-accept that addition, then reject them both.
  • Check that the place isn’t already on the map (avoid duplicates)
    New Picture - this is an existing place where someone has submitted a picture.
  • If it’s half-decent, then accept it. If not, reject it without hesitation and move on.
  • Ideally it should show the front of the building, and not just the sign or the street in front.
  • If you’re feeling particularly meticulous, open up the details of the place and look through the other photos that have been submitted and delete all but 1 or 2 of the best ones.
    New details for place - updating an existing place
  • Fairly straight-forward, it’s pretty obvious when the user has submitted garbage.
  • Watch out for users submitting completely different data, because they’ve selected the wrong place.
    Flagged Place - an existing place has been flagged with a reason
  • Most often a petrol station that has been closed, this one is more like a UR and does need a certain amount of validation. Check against StreetView to begin with, and then look elsewhere to determine what needs fixing.
    Importance of a Place - you can judge the importance of a place by how many ‘members of the public’ are likely to visit it. Superstores, train stations and museums would generally attract a lot of people, and so should have reasonably accurate details where possible. Shops, pubs and restaurants too. The more obscure categories such as government offices or prison would be less important. Use your own judgement.

Residences - these are the least value to users in general, and deserve the minimum amount of time spent on them. If all the details are present, and the photo is good quality and taken from the front of the house, then it’s probably correct and can be accepted. Any update that is going to require any effort to fix probably is not worth it.
(I used to also add the house number to the street as well, but that takes up even more time)

Offices - these are slightly more valuable than residences, but not a lot. They should at least have a sensible looking name, and address. Be wary of attempts to submit advertisements.

Rivers - no one needs a picture of a river, and I’ve not seen anyone submit a decent one yet. Just sayin’.

If you feel the Place Update is mostly good but needs a few tweaks, then accept it and immediately press Save (not Next). You can then select the Place and fix whatever needs fixing. If the details for a new place were good, but the photo was rubbish, you could go delete the photo at this point.

Locking a place (2+) forces all future updates for it to be verified by an editor.

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That’s very practical guidance Tim, thank you for your hard work. It will make the decision making process simpler and the response received by app users more consistent.

Seconded.
But only if people can find it, hopefully it will find a home somewhere in the Wiki.

These are only my quick thoughts on the matter, written at 2am. Please ask questions if anything isn’t clear or doesn’t seem right.

At least in the US, when I first started using WME, I was informed via Waze app inbox when my new place updates were approved (none were rejected, so I’m not sure if you’re notified when that happens). For me, after 10 of my Places were approved, I was able to add places freely with no need for additional approval from other editors.

Just tried to add an image, and been advised I’ve been flagged ( only added about two images before!) , but no idea why? Would be nice to at least know!

Any spelling mistakes/ grammatical errors are there purely to annoy

Strange. I believe that Waze will now “restrict” a user if they have 10 of their updates rejected. Shouldn’t be happening with just 2 though.

So this could include zoning ( think that was the last new ‘idea’ that came out), believe I zoned correctly, though some were marked as POI already and never happened, though technically correct under the new system (assume they were rejected) , how do I get unflagged?

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I’m not entirely sure I follow you. Although I wasn’t very clear in my previous post.
I was referring to the “place updates” that you can send via the Waze client app. So if a user submitted 10 place updates from the app and all of these were rejected they would be restricted from submitted any further updates. (Well that’s my understanding of the issue).

This doesn’t have any affect on updates that you may put in via the map editor.

Ok in which case I’m definitely sure I’ve not uploaded 10 updates from my phone.

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